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Old 04-27-2012, 08:25 AM
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If you don't mind spending an another $1K
Well, if the vehicle is being leased then it probably needs to be turned in with run flat tires in good condition at the end of the lease anyway.

So, one way to look at it is that you are taking the tires off, putting something else on and then putting the originals back on within 1 year of turning the car in so you don't get dinged for new tires at lease return time.
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I'm not sure you will get all that much of an improvement for the functionality of voice recognition with another brand...they all have their quirks. Do you have an accent? I was at a Merc dealership once getting a demo from a chinese sales guy and it didn't recognize a damn thing he said.

I agree that 328i doesn't force you into the seat ...but the 335i does. The 328i is just moderately less impressive when accelerating than the 302hp C350....and it has 62 less hp. So that should give you an example of the dynamic performance BMW gets from their vehicles.

Also, maybe it was in comfort mode. And did you really floor it?
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Old 04-27-2012, 10:14 AM
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If the Euro was spanking the dollar worse, like it was a few years ago, it would be much much worse than that to get one.
BMW hedges their currency exposure. They're one of the largest hedges or speculators. If you're paying more for the car like everyone is with the F30, it's because they bet wrong or hedged when the currency moved sideways. For the most part, the Euro has been churning above and below 1.30 for the last 5 years. They're getting whipsawed on their hedges. And we're paying more for the cars.

When the 2006 325i came out it offered the world class 3.0L N52 engine starting a mere $31,000, an improvement in every way over the outgoing 330i performance package. This is when the dollar was in the worst possible place, and supermodels were saying they wanted to get paid in euros. BMW didn't care because they were hedged properly. They introduced an incredibly deflationary product - a replacement for something that used to cost $46k.

This is what attracted me to the S4. It was always a car that started at $55k and got to $60k very quickly. Now they improved the power significantly, and started it at $46,000. This 3.0L supercharged 6 does things the old boring 4.2L from the A8 could never do. It dynos with 25% more torque than a factory B7 S4, and it tunes to 50% more torque for about $2000.

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Old 04-27-2012, 11:28 AM
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Well, if the vehicle is being leased then it probably needs to be turned in with run flat tires in good condition at the end of the lease anyway.

So, one way to look at it is that you are taking the tires off, putting something else on and then putting the originals back on within 1 year of turning the car in so you don't get dinged for new tires at lease return time.
Good point. You could also sell the OEM tires and add run flat tire with stickier compound as long as you don't wear out the tread.
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Old 04-27-2012, 04:39 PM
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I will agree that straight line, 0-60 is not a great test of a whole car, and two or three tenths of a second one way or another doesn't mean much everyday.
Even a full second's difference from 0 to 60 shouldn't make that much of a difference in everyday driving. I think a far more significant acceleration figure is 45-65.

Fast zero to 60 acceleration is important in only two situations:
1. Racing.
2. Making a getaway after a bank robbery.
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Old 04-27-2012, 04:46 PM
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Even a full second's difference from 0 to 60 shouldn't make that much of a difference in everyday driving. I think a far more significant acceleration figure is 45-65.

Fast zero to 60 acceleration is important in only two situations:
1. Racing.
2. Making a getaway after a bank robbery.
SHHHHHH.....on #2. How do you think I got the money to buy the car in the first place?
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Old 04-27-2012, 05:14 PM
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Even a full second's difference from 0 to 60 shouldn't make that much of a difference in everyday driving. I think a far more significant acceleration figure is 45-65.

Fast zero to 60 acceleration is important in only two situations:
1. Racing.
2. Making a getaway after a bank robbery.
Humans notice when their stomach goes 0-60 in 4.6 seconds. A second is not a good measurement stick. Going from 3.9 seconds to 2.9 seconds is not a 1 second gain; it's a 25% gain. 8 seconds to 7 seconds doesn't have quite the same effect. It's really distance traveled that matters.

1/4 mile times are a good benchmark. Any 12.x second car is OK in my book. That's that "stomach speed" that gives people butterflies.

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Humans notice when their stomach goes 0-60 in 4.6 seconds. A second is not a good measurement stick. Going from 3.9 seconds to 2.9 seconds is not a 1 second gain; it's a 25% gain. 8 seconds to 7 seconds doesn't have quite the same effect. It's really distance traveled that matters.

1/4 mile times are a good benchmark. Any 12.x second car is OK in my book. That's that "stomach speed" that gives people butterflies.

Nice video! How can you go wrong with a car that does 0-60 in 5.5, looks good, handles great, loaded with technology, and gets 29-30mpg overall! Pretty ggod value to lease as well and all maintenance is covered. I am very happy with this choice.
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Keep it on the thread topic please.

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BMW hedges their currency exposure. They're one of the largest hedges or speculators. If you're paying more for the car like everyone is with the F30, it's because they bet wrong or hedged when the currency moved sideways. For the most part, the Euro has been churning above and below 1.30 for the last 5 years. They're getting whipsawed on their hedges. And we're paying more for the cars.

When the 2006 325i came out it offered the world class 3.0L N52 engine starting a mere $31,000, an improvement in every way over the outgoing 330i performance package. This is when the dollar was in the worst possible place, and supermodels were saying they wanted to get paid in euros. BMW didn't care because they were hedged properly. They introduced an incredibly deflationary product - a replacement for something that used to cost $46k.
I wrote a dissertation on all these lies and then Bimmerfest ate it.

Suffice it to say that there is not one word of truth in what is quoted above. Every bit of it is a flat out, bald faced lie. westwest888 seems to have decided to operate on the principle if you tell a lie enough people will eventually accept it as truth.

To compare the 2006 E90 325i to the E46 330i ZHP/Performance Package is beyond laughable, it is utterly ludicrous and would only be asserted by a very ignorant person. To declare that the '06 E90 325i was an "improvement in every way over the outgoing 330i performance package" is just plain stupid.
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I wrote a dissertation on all these lies and then Bimmerfest ate it.

Suffice it to say that there is not one word of truth in what is quoted above. Every bit of it is a flat out, bald faced lie. westwest888 seems to have decided to operate on the principle if you tell a lie enough people will eventually accept it as truth.

To compare the 2006 E90 325i to the E46 330i ZHP/Performance Package is beyond laughable, it is utterly ludicrous and would only be asserted by a very ignorant person. To declare that the '06 E90 325i was an "improvement in every way over the outgoing 330i performance package" is just plain stupid.
I agree. The e90 was better in every respect. I could take a blind person for a ride in both cars and they would know the 2006 e90 325i was a better car. It was faster around a track. It was 10 years newer in styling. It didn't have rear subframe cracking problems. It had wider tires in back. And it cost easily $10 grand less.

Anyway we've already had that argument. Look back to threads in 2005 for people making their $900 a month e46 ZHP payments, COMPLETELY upside down because the new model came out, and driving a classic BMW while all the winners drove around in e90.

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I agree. The e90 was better in every respect. I could take a blind person for a ride in both cars and they would know the 2006 e90 325i was a better car. It was faster around a track. It was 10 years newer in styling. It didn't have rear subframe cracking problems. It had wider tires in back. And it cost easily $10 grand less.

Anyway we've already had that argument. Look back to threads in 2005 for people making their $900 a month e46 ZHP payments, COMPLETELY upside down because the new model came out, and driving a classic BMW while all the winners drove around in e90.
You are completely deluded. But that's been the case since you joined Bimmerfest. It's just gotten worse with time.
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I agree. The e90 was better in every respect. I could take a blind person for a ride in both cars and they would know the 2006 e90 325i was a better car. It was faster around a track. It was 10 years newer in styling. It didn't have rear subframe cracking problems. It had wider tires in back. And it cost easily $10 grand less.

Anyway we've already had that argument. Look back to threads in 2005 for people making their $900 a month e46 ZHP payments, COMPLETELY upside down because the new model came out, and driving a classic BMW while all the winners drove around in e90.
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I also think so. Except in styling, maybe.
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Even a full second's difference from 0 to 60 shouldn't make that much of a difference in everyday driving. I think a far more significant acceleration figure is 45-65.

Fast zero to 60 acceleration is important in only two situations:
1. Racing.
2. Making a getaway after a bank robbery.
The best way to rob a bank is to own one.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Best-Way-R.../dp/0292706383

Then no need to worry about 0-60 for #2!
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I also think so. Except in styling, maybe.
Except that's not what he said.
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All this debate. And the OP STILL has not been back after redoing the test drive in sport mode...
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I agree. The e90 was better in every respect. I could take a blind person for a ride in both cars and they would know the 2006 e90 325i was a better car. It was faster around a track. It was 10 years newer in styling. It didn't have rear subframe cracking problems. It had wider tires in back. And it cost easily $10 grand less.

Anyway we've already had that argument. Look back to threads in 2005 for people making their $900 a month e46 ZHP payments, COMPLETELY upside down because the new model came out, and driving a classic BMW while all the winners drove around in e90.
De gustibus. I believe that they are simply different. I like the size of the E46, the normally aspirated 235 HP I-6 motor and the rest of the components of the ZHP package.

The E46 is a very nice automobile.







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Post #120 is beautiful, but it looks like an exhibit from the Smithsonian. Nobody would turn their head for that unless they were at the Welt looking at the history of the automobile. It's nice but I like my technology. That car was built by cavemen with slide rules, in comparison to the computer aided design software that is available today. Have you seen the stuff Autodesk is cranking out? They designed the Tesla Model S on it.
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Hmm they never park my car with a Jetta when the valet leaves it in front of the restaurant.
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Hmm they never park my car with a Jetta when the valet leaves it in front of the restaurant.
If they were both 2013s there's a good chance they would. I thought you said Audi was completely separate from Volkswagen. There certainly seems to have been a lot of sharing for 2013. It almost looks like the doors are interchangeable.
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no one is leaving an a4 in front, unless you going to tgi fridays or something
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