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X5 E70 (2007 - 2013)
E70 BMW X5 produced between 2007 and 2013. Discuss the E70 X5 with other BMW owners here.

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Old 05-01-2012, 08:24 AM
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Custom POI loading

Hurray! Just picked up my X5 yesterday and drove carefully for a few hours breaking the thing in. +180 miles. Enjoying it tremendously, especially after driving a family van for some years

Had enough time to configure most options via the controller, what remains is tuning the NAV. Any pointers on loading custom POIS into the new hard drive based NAVs? On my portable Garmin I have red light and speed cameras and radars, all with their specific icons, speed settings etc. I have read that BMW NAV is not that flexible and only allows one type of custom POIs or icons without speed or warning sound attributes. Is that still true? Whether yes or no, where can I find more info on file format, icons, sounds etc (if allowed) to load into the system?

Overall, the system is very nice - the screen size is hard to beat on a portable, and maps are very detailed and easy to read. Which begs the second question. With so much data in the maps (live traffic, 3d building profiles, etc) I am sure the speed limit (per road) info should be there in the datafile. Can it be displayed somewhere on the screen?

Becase of work, I will have to wait playing with the NAV till weekend, reading as much as possible in the meantime, to attack it fully armed. Your input is appreciated!
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Old 05-01-2012, 08:31 AM
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Congrats on X5! We got the same vehicle except I've added multi-contour seats. Don't baby the engine too much, give it some revs.. you can take it up to 4k rpm.. I've taken mine to 5K rpm several times already ))
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Old 05-02-2012, 05:44 AM
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Congrats on X5! We got the same vehicle except I've added multi-contour seats. Don't baby the engine too much, give it some revs.. you can take it up to 4k rpm.. I've taken mine to 5K rpm several times already ))
Thanks! Any pointers on the NAV? I played with settings this morning just a bit, but could not find a way for poi upload, except for manually looked up items it's amazing, such an expensive add-on, and no flexibility. There is a number of benefits such as integration, size, no need to worry about battery and some, but loading pois is such a trivial task that I wonder why it is missing.
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Old 05-03-2012, 02:24 PM
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Old 05-04-2012, 08:40 AM
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Well, not much is going on here, and now I think I know why. Here is a brief summary of what I could find for new people like me who do not know this off the start.

My NAV (premium) does not display speed limit info, nor does it allow loading custom pois by importing files. You can send an address or route to the car using apps or google maps. That usually takes a few minutes for the message to propagage, so it is mostly useful for complex routes rather than single addresses, which are faster to just enter manually. Also, voice recognition for address entering sucks royally. It asks you to say the entire address, and then gets confused with the city names and streets (not even close). Not a coincidence, it cannot speak the street names either, so maybe bmw could benefit by sending their techs or management to a speech correction specialist. Also, there appears to be a bug in reading addresses off your iphone contacts. That is, you can go there, see the address, but when you select it, the fields go into BMW NAV in a wrong order (like city and street reversed), which totally confuses it. Again, the fastest way I found to enter new addresses is to use the idrive controller. It helps you by only highlighting possible letters, so the process is surprisingly faster than I thought.

Why they do this is beyond me. The datafiles include 3d images of buildings in large cities, satellite photos, geo profile and more. Yet, the stupid thing costing near $2k cannot display a local speed limit? My $100 garmin does that. Loading POIs? There are mentions of a menu item to do that on BMW NAV from a while ago. Now that option is no longer there (at least in mine). No way to import anything. Again, my cheap garmin does that easily. And, if they (bmw) are concerned with people loading up radar and camera positions (illegal in many european countries) then it is even more ridiculous to apply to the entire world. Plus, there are so many useful pois that are perfectly legal. We do not outlaw kitchen knives, do we, for their illegal use potential? And it does not take much of a programming effort either. Believe me, I designed some pretty cool software in my life. All it takes is a coder that knows how to code, and a manager who knows how to manage. I think BMW can afford that?

Conclusion: I like the integration, the screen size, and the operation of the nav once the address is there. So far directions have been accurate and it is nice how it lowers music volume when it speaks directions. But I am going to just stick my garmin into left corner of my windshield anyway for speed limit info, camera positions (so many of them in Chicago now), and audio warnings specific to each alert. Looks ridiculous on a $70k vehicle? Absolutely, and that shame is on BMW, because I do not really care anymore. Grow up, damn it, its 21 century out there as far as electronics is concerned.
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Old 05-04-2012, 10:07 AM
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Sorry, I must have missed your question above.

Yes, there is not much you can do with BMW navs.. it is pretty basic and in my opinion not great as others.. from what I have noticed.. Japanese car makers tend to have better electronics in their cars. One thing I still hate about BMW's idrive system is entering in the address using the dial.. I think "touch" typing in the ltters would be far more simplier and eaiser.

Regarding the size of the screen, X5 is a little ways behind the other BMW line ups.. if you look at the F10 ( 5 series ) and other models the screen size are larger. Kinda off topic but even our dash cluster is out of date.

But people will argue that BMW focuses more on driving than gadgets or electronics. But BMW also invests on Laser headlights for their future cars..
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Old 05-04-2012, 11:19 AM
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Thanks for following up! Yes, a lot of it comes with the territory and is accepted. I always wanted the BMW feel and I got and I am happy. I would drive it with speedometer and tachometer only, just like the cars used to be. The frustration comes from the fact that (let's leave other electronics aside for now) the NAV is there, costs a bunch, is advertized as the best thing since sliced pizza AND does really poor job when the effort to make it a lot better is *minimal*. That last part is what drives me nuts. I am not asking for an overhaul of the entire system, although for the price they could have done it easily. I am saying that the speed limit data is already in the datafile - any mass vendor these days has it, navteq or not, the menus for importing pois do popup here and there in different versions, so they know how to do it, and all it takes to enable those features is a simple programming switch because it is already in there. Not to mention missing lane assist and approach directions (where it should show you how close you are to a turn with zoom on that particular intersection). All of that is already in there, they just *ignore* it for some reason, and that is the thing that drives me nuts. After all, they went so far as to be early adopters of Iphone integration. Then why don't they learn some basic usability lessons from those Iphone developers? And speaking of the screen size - what is that big monitor in the center console is supposed to do without NAV? Nothing else deserves it, really. I do not really need or enjoy viewing a list of 30 radio station frequencies for two hours while taking a ride.

Sorry, I feel I am pumping myself up too much on this. Good thing it's Friday, so everything will be put in a different perspective very soon
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Old 05-04-2012, 12:26 PM
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Sorry to be blunt, but part of the reason this is a dialogue between 2 members is that there have been hundreds if not thousands of threads / comments on BMW Nav systems over the years. And after answering the same question for the 945th time, old timers like me tend to just go "WTF?"

You should take a couple minutes to learn how to use the "Search" feature on Bimmerfest; you'll be amazed at how much valuable info is already on BF, just waiting for you to discover it. Not just regarding Nav, but on many other topics you are likely to have questions about in the coming weeks.

PS Yes, the map vendor on the 2010 and later vehicles flat out sucks. Just wait till you have the pleasure of being sent on a great circle route, or directed the wrong way down a 1 way street.
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Old 05-04-2012, 12:40 PM
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Sorry to be blunt, but part of the reason this is a dialogue between 2 members is that there have been hundreds if not thousands of threads / comments on BMW Nav systems over the years. And after answering the same question for the 945th time, old timers like me tend to just go "WTF?"

You should take a couple minutes to learn how to use the "Search" feature on Bimmerfest; you'll be amazed at how much valuable info is already on BF, just waiting for you to discover it. Not just regarding Nav, but on many other topics you are likely to have questions about in the coming weeks.

PS Yes, the map vendor on the 2010 and later vehicles flat out sucks. Just wait till you have the pleasure of being sent on a great circle route, or directed the wrong way down a 1 way street.
No problem. And I did try searching that topic, but could not find specifics. There are plenty of places mentioning NAV, updating NAV and so on, but sometimes the question you are looking for is not there. And often they are in a group run for different models, so there is a chance it does not apply.

The vendor switch is a direct result of this paranoidal cost cutting thing where they cut off a piece that costs a few cents to a few dollars, spend millions to do that, and then pay even more millions to higher management. It just does not work and we end up with products like these... Thanks for the comment!
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