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Old 05-11-2012, 08:51 AM
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My ordeal with the Dealer for the "Pass Restraint Error"

So, Day two of the car being at the dealer for the dreaded airbag error. Long story short, they want to fix it. Then they come back with it is the wrong part that needs to be replaced and it's going to cost 1600. My wife was not having it and had them get back with BMW N.A.

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Side Note... The 3 series loaner is a hard drop from my 7. I don't care that it is a 2012...
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I did the cheap fix. I bought a cheap $30 module from Ebay that tricks the computer into thinking that an adult is sitting in the front passenger seat. I know that no kids will ever be sitting there. For $80 I had the dealer reset the warning light. You unplug the connection for the defective mat at the back of the seat and plug the module in its place. Save that $1600 for a 'real' problem.

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Old 05-11-2012, 11:19 AM
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So, Day two of the car being at the dealer for the dreaded airbag error. Long story short, they want to fix it. Then they come back with it is the wrong part that needs to be replaced and it's going to cost 1600. My wife was not having it and had them get back with BMW N.A.

We will know more later today.


Side Note... The 3 series loaner is a hard drop from my 7. I don't care that it is a 2012...
Yeah I'm not a big fan of the 3 series loaner that I got as well, it's so tiny and when u steer it's like Ur at the gym working out. Is it not powered?
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So, Day two of the car being at the dealer for the dreaded airbag error. Long story short, they want to fix it. Then they come back with it is the wrong part that needs to be replaced and it's going to cost 1600. My wife was not having it and had them get back with BMW N.A.

We will know more later today.


Side Note... The 3 series loaner is a hard drop from my 7. I don't care that it is a 2012...
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OK! Here is the update. My wife got the call so i'm going to relay the info. I will get a first hand explination when I go in today. BMW N.A says that they will pay for 60% of the problem and that i'm left with a $800 tab. They say that the part that needs to be replaced is not the exact part in the recall and that they will cover a portion. I call bull****. If it is not covered, why would they "offer" to pay a portion. I know damn well...you don't get "offered" ANYTHING....just because a company feels bad for you...lol Yeah right!

So, I want everything in writing and then we will see how this will shake out. This is very funny. The service writer has been cool to my wife so i'm not going to bitch too much.

Round 2 will statr in 5....4.....3....2....

Oh, and the 3 series is a 335D. It has kinda grew on me. It would be a tough call to have that as an only car. I'm too tall.

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I did the cheap fix. I bought a cheap $30 module from Ebay that tricks the computer into thinking that an adult is sitting in the front passenger seat. I know that no kids will ever be sitting there. For $80 I had the dealer reset the warning light. You unplug the connection for the defective mat at the back of the seat and plug the module in its place. Save that $1600 for a 'real' problem.
Please list the link for this module. Does if work for the rear seat also?
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I did the cheap fix. I bought a cheap $30 module from Ebay that tricks the computer into thinking that an adult is sitting in the front passenger seat. I know that no kids will ever be sitting there. For $80 I had the dealer reset the warning light. You unplug the connection for the defective mat at the back of the seat and plug the module in its place. Save that $1600 for a 'real' problem.
Do you have a link or part number for that module?
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How many of us had this problem? I bet every second person on here. I had it my friends m5 had it other friends m5 had it. Dealer always wants to fix it by replacing a module. All we did just went to independent shop and reset it if it showed up only ones. Sins then non of us had this fault coming back. Mine was triggered due to low voltage in the battery or something like that and the night b4 i was watching movies in the car with my gf with the car being off. So why dont u save urself sometime and do the simple reset first and if it comes back go to the dealer. I remember like it was yesterday i only payed 50$.
Do not order any module that tells the system that the pass. seat is occupied dont mess with ur and ur family safety.
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How many of us had this problem? I bet every second person on here. I had it my friends m5 had it other friends m5 had it. Dealer always wants to fix it by replacing a module. All we did just went to independent shop and reset it if it showed up only ones. Sins then non of us had this fault coming back. Mine was triggered due to low voltage in the battery or something like that and the night b4 i was watching movies in the car with my gf with the car being off. So why dont u save urself sometime and do the simple reset first and if it comes back go to the dealer. I remember like it was yesterday i only payed 50$.
Do not order any module that tells the system that the pass. seat is occupied dont mess with ur and ur family safety.


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The $50 eBay module is a simple, temporary (could be permanent if you choose) but effective fix in lieu of over $2000 Dealer's replacement part if your issue is not covered under warranty.

This is how it works;

The passenger airbag is always OFF with absence of an occupant on the passenger seat. However, it is activated (stays ON) as soon as a passenger occupies the seat but has to meet a certain weight limit, otherwise it stays OFF. For example, if you place a laptop bag or a lunch box on the passenger seat, it doesn't have enough weight to activate the airbag.

With a faulty seat mat (which is usually the culprit of this issue), the SRS Airbag module detects a malfunction within the system and then throw the error warning message.

What the $50 eBay module does is, it tricks and communicates with the Passenger SRS Airbag system, by somewhat replacing the purpose of the seat mat, and always keeping it activated (stays ON) regardless of an occupant or not. Nonetheless, it gets rid of the error warning message.

That said, I believe it is fools proof because, in the event of a crash, whether there is a passenger present or not, the passenger Airbag would still get activated and subsequently deploy as needed.

The only downfall is, an infant and/or a small child on the FRONT PASSENGER seat, could get injured in the event the airbag deploys. But again, I don't understand how any sane driver could place an infant/ child on the front seat of any car anyway.

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Old 05-15-2012, 10:24 PM
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The $50 eBay module is a simple, temporary (could be permanent if you choose) but effective fix in lieu of over $2000 Dealer's replacement part if your issue is not covered under warranty.

This is how it works;

The passenger airbag is always OFF with absence of an occupant on the passenger seat. However, it is activated (stays ON) as soon as a passenger occupies the seat but has to meet a certain weight limit, otherwise it stays OFF. For example, if you place a laptop bag or a lunch box on the passenger seat, it doesnít have enough weight to activate the airbag.

With a faulty seat mat (which is usually the culprit of this issue), the SRS Airbag module detects a malfunction within the system and then throw the error warning message.

What the $50 eBay module does is, it tricks and communicates with the Passenger SRS Airbag system, by somewhat replacing the purpose of the seat mat, by always keeping it activated (stays ON) regardless of an occupant or not. Nonetheless, it gets rid of the error warning message.

That said, I believe it is fools proof because, in the event of a crash, whether there is a passenger present or not, the passenger Airbag would still get activated and subsequently deploy as needed.

The only downfall is, an infant and/or a small child on the FRONT PASSENGER seat, could get injured in the event the airbag deploys. But again, I donít understand how any sane driver could place an infant/ child on the front seat of any car anyway.

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Bro i didnt mean to question u or anything i got the idea the first time. It was just my opinion. Do u really trust that thing? U never know whats going to happen in a accident right. And my car doesnt have occupancy sensor. So was no good for me anyways.
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Bro i didnt mean to question u or anything i got the idea the first time. It was just my opinion. Do u really trust that thing? U never know whats going to happen in a accident right. And my car doesnt have occupancy sensor. So was no good for me anyways.

I'm lost. What do you mean your car doesn't have occupancy sensor?

Well, I couldn't speak out of experience as I don't have this item installed in my car. Also, I am not quite sure whether this particular eBay product has passed the safety crash testing process yet, but from what I gather from extensive research, it is quite effective.

Is it the smartest and/ or correct approach to a supplemental restrain problem, especially one that could potentially compromise the safety of your friends or family, I don't know.

What I know is, don't get me wrong (no fingers pointed), I am sure there is quite a significant number of members in here that would rather utilize the $50 eBay product vs the recommended Dealer permanent fix and dumb that $2000 on a set of aftermarket wheels.
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I'm lost. What do you mean your car doesn't have occupancy sensor?

Well, I couldn't speak out of experience as I don't have this item installed in my car. Also, I am not quite sure whether this particular eBay product has passed the safety crash testing process yet, but from what I gather from extensive research, it is quite effective.

Is it the smartest and/ or correct approach to a supplemental restrain problem, especially one that could potentially compromise the safety of your friends or family, I don't know.

What I know is, don't get me wrong (no fingers pointed), I am sure there is quite a significant number of members in here that would rather utilize the $50 eBay product vs the recommended Dealer permanent fix and dumb that $2000 on a set of aftermarket wheels.
Just dont have that sensor. Im not sure but if i correctly remember 02-05 didnt come with it. Maybe 02-03 im not too sure. Yeah i know 2000$ is too much but as long as i remember most of ur just reset it and it never popped up again. I was actually advised by somebody here to reset it and i did never had a problem sins its a common problem with our car can be caused by simply having low battery in most situations after watching dvd or listening music with the car off. We've discussed this topic more then 20 times back in a day
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But i see ur point bro its nice to have options for ppl who dont wanna pay stealer one thing doesnt work try another b4 u spend 2000$ on it. I just dont see connection between restraint system and pass occupancy sensor. Like i said mine doesnt even have one and i still had the fault on my cluster
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Plus if that thing from ebay makes the system think that the seat is occupied at all times then if u had an accident on that site of the car not even major just a hit enough to set the air bag off why would u want ur airbag to go of if there is no1 sitting there? U can end up with a simple fix of the part that got damaged right. In most cases its not critical. Bmw put that sensor there for a reason. When i had that warning fault i had a problem with the A pillar so had nothing to do with passanger seat. Passanger restraint system is a common name for any belt/airbag/sensors fault could be anyware. Idrive doesnt specify what and where u have a problem it just pops up as passenger restraint system in general. Correct me if im wrong.
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Just dont have that sensor. Im not sure but if i correctly remember 02-05 didnt come with it. Maybe 02-03 im not too sure.
Very interesting. This is new to me. I'll have to check on that.

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But i see ur point bro its nice to have options for ppl who dont wanna pay stealer one thing doesnt work try another b4 u spend 2000$ on it. I just dont see connection between restraint system and pass occupancy sensor. Like i said mine doesnt even have one and i still had the fault on my cluster
Hold up. Now you confused me ever more.

If I am not wrong, pass occupancy sensor is directly related to the restraint system. I mean, the occupancy sensor communicates with the restraint system in order to activate/ deactive it..........
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Very interesting. This is new to me. I'll have to check on that.



Hold up. Now you confused me ever more.

If I am not wrong, pass occupancy sensor is directly related to the restraint system. I mean, the occupancy sensor communicates with the restraint system in order to activate/ deactive it..........
Now after thinking about it it indeed is related BUT only if the problem is with the passenger occupied sensor maybe passenger safety belt or B pillar and whatever else is there for the passenger side. But idrive does not tell u what is the cause of the fault. Like i said in my case it was A pillar. I only have sensor in my drivers seat when u leave ur car in gear and accidentally get out it will shut itself off
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Very interesting. This is new to me. I'll have to check on that.



Hold up. Now you confused me ever more.
Yup i know for a fact mine doesnt have it im not sure if they started putting them sins 04 came out or facelift 06. U know how u have that thing by the sos button and sunroof button the light comes on or other way comes off when somebody gets in the passenger seat? I dont have that.
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Now after thinking about it it indeed is related BUT only if the problem is with the passenger occupied sensor maybe passenger safety belt or B pillar and whatever else is there for the passenger side. But idrive does not tell u what is the cause of the fault. Like i said in my case it was A pillar. I only have sensor in my drivers seat when u leave ur car in gear and accidentally get out it will shut itself off
That's what was in my mind. You almost had me dig into my archives of BMW TIS reference handbook.

Anyway, iDrive wouldn't diagnose and/or provide any stored faulty codes. Besides, BMW wouldn't make it too easy for us, otherwise we could potentially give the 'stealership' a serious run for their money.
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Yup stealer tells u right away replace this and that and u end up with the bill. My mechanic told me exact problem and confirmed that at first we will just reset it and if it popes up we will take a look into it more closely. I dont remember exact words but in his computer it was something like A pillar airbag something low voltage in the battery or something like that he connected the dots and said that was the cause
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Yup i know for a fact mine doesnt have it im not sure if they started putting them sins 04 came out or facelift 06. U know how u have that thing by the sos button and sunroof button the light comes on or other way comes off when somebody gets in the passenger seat? I dont have that.
This is how mine looks

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Got it.....Very interesting. I just went to the garage to check mine out.



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Got it.....Very interesting. I just went to the garage to check mine out.



We are on the same page now.
Mmmm i hate u for posting that picture very nice headliner. Jealous jealous jealous. Well 760 enough said lol
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Yup yup....760Li it is.

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