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Old 05-11-2012, 01:24 PM
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I haven't visited this forum for a while so it was appalling to read some of the comments on this thread. People accuse the OP of being a troll because he posted something they don't like

0-60 in 3.7s is definitely possible for a 420HP AWD car with launch control. It is very well-documented that the 4000 lbs Nissan GT-R with 485HP runs 0-60 in 3 seconds, as fast as 638HP Corvette ZR1. That's the beauty of all wheel drive.

(The Vette does have faster 1/4 mile time and trap speed. This is where AWD loses its advantage).

Remember guys, competition is good for consumers. Hopefully, this will force BMW to up the ante with the next refresh.
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The thing with Audis 4.0T engine is that it also can be tuned to 520hp. It is entirely possible they use the S8 version of the engine for the journalist model.
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That was pretty much 1 test, from Motor Trend (it was 4.8).

Almost all others have been 5.1 to 5.3 seconds.
Seeing as how you called me out over 1/10th of a second, I guess I'll return the favor and tell you that it was 4.7.
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Google dyno numbers for the N54,N55 and N63 and you find that the N54 gives about 330 hp ,the N55 about 320hp and the N63 close to 450hp at the crank with 15% drive train losses. Turbo engines are also notoriously uneven, some gives way more power than others of the same type.

The stock Audi S4 has been dyno'd to 330rwhp which with awd should put it over 400 hp. The new A6 3.0T at close to 300 rwhp or 350 plus at the crank. I doubt the new S6 will deviate from this pattern. It's likely underrated as well.
I suspect that the V8 in the S6 is the same as the one in the S8.
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The thing with Audis 4.0T engine is that it also can be tuned to 520hp. It is entirely possible they use the S8 version of the engine for the journalist model.
So we're accusing Audi for providing ringers to the press now?
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So we're accusing Audi for providing ringers to the press now?
Yes absolutely. I find it surprising you don't believe that. The variance in testing times on the A6 V6 model is very striking. It raises questions.

But honestly, I don't want to talk about Audis with you. You are generally a great forum member, but when it comes to discussing Audis with you, you have a blindspot in your Johari's window.

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Yes absolutely. I find it surprising you don't believe that. The variance in testing times on the A6 V6 model is very striking. It raises questions.
I guess when it's an Audi, it's all wrong and the manufacturer must be cheating. But if it's BMW, it's not, am I right? The variance has been discussed at great lengths over on Vortex and it was all down to tires and transmission. The 8 speed adapts to your driving style. Drive it harder, you get quicker shift times. In the S6's case, the DCT has a launch control sequence.

I can't wait for the S6 to hit US shores, so mags can test a US spec version of the car.

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But honestly, I don't want to talk about Audis with you. You are generally a great forum member, but when it comes to discussing Audis with you, you have a blindspot in your Johari's window.
Fair enough. I could say the same thing about Lexus to you, but that's a whole another argument.


And this last statement isn't directed at you Stealth. (I find your posts super informative and interesting)

People here love to turn a blind eye to the competition, no matter how good it is. Audi (and Lexus) finally have a solid contender in this segment and all the BMW fanboys are doing is trashing them, when they know full well, that the 5 series isn't the benchmark it used to be. If anything, it went from being the best to the back of the pack with the E Class, in terms of driving pleasure.

And the whole "5/E sells more argument" is complete ****. Just because McDonalds sell more than Five Guys doesn't mean its better.

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If I had a hidden agenda, I would encourage everyone here to buy Audi and Lexus models, because they are cheaper.

Lower price OEMs gaining share is good for everyone.
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Just because you like anything with a roundel doesn't mean there can't be criticism for the brand...


I'm just not blindly enamored by the F10 like you are. BMW has gone from making the best car in its segment (E60) to possibly one of the worst. Lexus and Audi are all over BMW in this segment now (I can't believe I just put Lexus in the previous statement )
Well said. Agree fully.
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People here love to turn a blind eye to the competition, no matter how good it is. Audi (and Lexus) finally have a solid contender in this segment and all the BMW fanboys are doing is trashing them, when they know full well, that the 5 series isn't the benchmark it used to be. If anything, it went from being the best to the back of the pack with the E Class, in terms of driving pleasure.
You nailed it. I couldn't have said it better myself
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Yes absolutely. I find it surprising you don't believe that. The variance in testing times on the A6 V6 model is very striking. It raises questions.
I have posted this in the past (with links), where one of the major car mag's questioned the significant performance differences between two A6's they had tested. They claimed the first "press release" car shifted harder and accelerated faster, but Audi reps claimed there was nothing wrong with the first car. This is why I pretty much ignore the European boondoggle first tests and even the US first tests of performance cars, since all of these cars are provided by the manufacturers. I put more faith in the follow-up comparison tests where the cars are not supplied by the manufacturer, or better yet owner dragstrip results, providing they mention any trickery or enhancements employed. BTW, I apply this skeptism to all brands.
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So we're accusing Audi for providing ringers to the press now?
See above.

AutoUnion, you've got to admit that as your username suggests, you are the biggest Audi fan that hangs out in the F10 forum. I get it you like Audi, and apparently Lexus too, but what are you trying to prove? Half of you posts would be better placed in an Audi forum. Do you feel you need to put the F10 guys in there place? Do you have something you need to prove to F10 owners? This Bimmerfest forum is focused on the F10, not Audi or Lexus. Of course F10 owners are getting annoyed by your Audi-centric posts. Half your threads here end up in name calling on from both sides of the brand camps. Why not buy an A/S6 and hang out over in AudiWorld? That's what I did when I owned my A6.
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Remember guys, competition is good for consumers. Hopefully, this will force BMW to up the ante with the next refresh.
Have they ever upgraded power for a refresh? I could see them offering a power kit, but just free HP because Audi eventually passed them .

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People here love to turn a blind eye to the competition, no matter how good it is. Audi (and Lexus) finally have a solid contender in this segment and all the BMW fanboys are doing is trashing them, when they know full well, that the 5 series isn't the benchmark it used to be. If anything, it went from being the best to the back of the pack with the E Class, in terms of driving pleasure.
I'd have been far more impressed if this car was offered side-by-side the 550 launch, but it wasn't. This came after Audi saw the competition, and might have bested it (until we see officially), with launch control. It's a step forward as with most cars that come years after another, and maybe it's a gotcha! moment for Audi, but I'll never view it as such.

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See above.

AutoUnion, you've got to admit that as your username suggests, you are the biggest Audi fan that hangs out in the F10 forum. I get it you like Audi, and apparently Lexus too, but what are you trying to prove? Half of you posts would be better placed in an Audi forum. Do you feel you need to put the F10 guys in there place? Do you have something you need to prove to F10 owners? This Bimmerfest forum is focused on the F10, not Audi or Lexus. Of course F10 owners are getting annoyed by your Audi-centric posts. Half your threads here end up in name calling on from both sides of the brand camps. Why not buy an A/S6 and hang out over in AudiWorld? That's what I did when I owned my A6.
You put it so right, I lack the knowledge of your language otherwise I would have made your point likewise.
But we as Bimmerfesters do have an obligation as well.
Feeding the unionfest on this forum should not be our goal,it seems we get going time and again.
I searched for Autounion for sites he could get his thing working.
But helas did not find any.
So as long we keep giving him response, he will keep hooking us up.
Like too eager biting fish on his ringer biased bait.
It realy is a pity because these threads end somewhat sour and do not realy built anything worthwhile.
I would like to suggest to all festers to google autounion and find out the pedigree of all these biased posts.

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Have they ever upgraded power for a refresh? I could see them offering a power kit, but just free HP because Audi eventually passed them
They did it with N54 engine in the e92s 335i. Originally rated at 300 HP, BMW later bumped it up to 320 HP and called it 335is. The 335i (2010 and later) is now powered by N55 engine.
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I have posted this in the past (with links), where one of the major car mag's questioned the significant performance differences between two A6's they had tested. They claimed the first "press release" car shifted harder and accelerated faster, but Audi reps claimed there was nothing wrong with the first car. This is why I pretty much ignore the European boondoggle first tests and even the US first tests of performance cars, since all of these cars are provided by the manufacturers. I put more faith in the follow-up comparison tests where the cars are not supplied by the manufacturer, or better yet owner dragstrip results, providing they mention any trickery or enhancements employed. BTW, I apply this skeptism to all brands.
Virtually all car magazine test cars are supplied by the manufacturers. They have a fleet of "press cars" that are available for testing. It doesn't matter if the car just came out, or came out five years ago.
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Test drive an S6 before I bought my 550. It is a great car but the styling is oh hum in my opinion ( not much different than the A6) by the time you add the options to compare apples and apples the S6 was out the door at $82+ instead of the $72 for my loads 550. Bought my wife the first SQ5 in Arixona and that little SUV with a supercharged 3 liter with 355 hp is as fast as my 550. 0-60 in 4.7 with a good-tech and paddle shifters. More fun to drive than a Porsche cayman
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Test drive an S6 before I bought my 550. It is a great car but the styling is oh hum in my opinion ( not much different than the A6) by the time you add the options to compare apples and apples the S6 was out the door at $82+ instead of the $72 for my loads 550. Bought my wife the first SQ5 in Arixona and that little SUV with a supercharged 3 liter with 355 hp is as fast as my 550. 0-60 in 4.7 with a good-tech and paddle shifters. More fun to drive than a Porsche cayman
Is the SQ5 really THAT fast? I drove one around the city for some time and thought it was fast, but I didn't realize it was that quick
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I have driven it as much as my wife and it was faster and more hp than an s4 with awd. ( I had driven the s4, s6, s5 and the 550 before buying. The sq5 shocked me but that supercharged v6 screams. It blew away a 535, s4 and faster than a stock v8 mustang( beat up on one of my employees with a stock 2013 5liter. It was faster than all above and pretty close with my 550. Well into triple digits it is as stable as my 550
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Impressive acceleration. But the roadholding figure is very poor.
Last I checked, speed limits in the US are 65mph at best. So, you get well past the legal limit in second gear, then what? These cars are more frustrating than fun. I just can't see spending that kind of money and never being able to use it. If you want it as a status-mobile fine, but the engine is wasted on the US.


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Iamthewalrus....mmm wasn't that a Beatles song? Just remember that these cars have great passing acceleration and that is more important than the top speed. Swift overtaking is more easily accomplished with a high power to weight ratio and that is why these modern super-sedans are necessary. Furthermore, acceleration has been married to luxury, so one really attains a sensual intoxicating experience. Something you can't really get from a VW Beetle!
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Leasing one of these will cost more than leasing an M5, though.
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