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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 05-14-2012, 02:43 AM
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Starting problem with error code P1619

Hi,

This morning I had a problem starting the E39 which was stationary over the weekend other than moving it forwards about 3 yards to make parking space for another car.
Now I am not familiar with the technical language used, so here goes;

Upon turning the key, instead of the car making the "e, e, e, e" sound, it was more like free "eeeeeee" sound. <<
Now does this sound like the cambelt is broken? how can I verify?

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Old 05-14-2012, 03:45 AM
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Sounds like the starter may not be engaging with the flywheel and you are hearing the starter motor spinning.
Do you know if the engine was actually turning over?
You have a chain that turns the cam, if it was broken the pistons would hit the valves.
That would sound very $$$$ expensive.

Your code is for a bad t-stat, nothing to do with it not starting.
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Old 05-15-2012, 05:46 AM
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Sounds like the starter may not be engaging with the flywheel and you are hearing the starter motor spinning.
How can I verify?

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Do you know if the engine was actually turning over?
No, it definately was not turning over

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You have a chain that turns the cam, if it was broken the pistons would hit the valves.
That would sound very $$$$ expensive.
I think sound is the key word here. And there were no knocks or grinds coming from the vehichle before or after the problem.

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Your code is for a bad t-stat, nothing to do with it not starting.
So I will ignore that for now.

Someone suggested I replace the plugs as they have become flooded. Now I don't beleive this would be an issue, I am considering it. The car has full history from new, and it was serviced only 3 months ago.

Please help as I cannot afford to go with out a car.

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Old 05-15-2012, 02:05 PM
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Your starter is under the intake manifold way down low, probably can't see it.
If you turn the key and you hear the starter motor turning and the engine isn't turning over the starter is bad.
There are two parts to the starter, the starter motor and the solenoid that pushes the starter motor gear (we call it a Bendix) into the flywheel to turn the engine over.
Sounds like the solenoid part isn't working.
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Old 05-15-2012, 02:23 PM
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IIRC, on my E12, the Bendix was engaged via the centrifugal force of the spinning motor shaft, not the solenoid. The latter was just to switch the high battery current. I believe certain GM starters work that way; in fact, the pre-war Chevies had a starter pedal that engaged the pinion gear, and closed a high-current switch, mounted on the starter. The old Buick straight 8 required you to floor the accelerator to start.

The Bendix has an overunning clutch, so, when the engine catches, the ring gear spins the Bendix to disengage it.

Just nit-picking.
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Old 05-15-2012, 06:03 PM
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Showing your age there edjack, pre-war Chevies and straight 8's.
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Oppen the hood and watch the fan, is it moving when you start the car? If not, the starter is bad or the teeth are broken.
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Old 05-16-2012, 02:40 AM
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Oppen the hood and watch the fan, is it moving when you start the car? If not, the starter is bad or the teeth are broken.
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Do you know if the engine was actually turning over?

No, it definately was not turning over
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other than moving it forwards about 3 yards to make parking space for another car.
Yes, your car is flooded.

You can try to start again but this time put the pedal to the metal while cranking the engine.

If the above doesn't work.
Remove plugs and let the gas dry out, clean and dry the plugs.
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