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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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Old 05-14-2012, 04:11 PM
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No way will they do the 330d in manual transmission. BMW has NEVER been that kind to U.S. enthusiasts with real-life needs.

In fact, they'll probably offer the best engine with the worst transmission they have in stock
Oh, probably! But they did sell the E28 524td in the US with a manual. Only, not too many, which was the problem.

But since BMW did it before, we can always dream, can't we?
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My guess is the US will get a 328iT xDrive with a choice of manual and AT.
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Hmmm, did I read it wrong or does the article say the wagon has LED tail lights? Interesting that, since I'm hearing the sedan does not.
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Old 05-14-2012, 05:26 PM
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With three pedals? If so, this will be extremely difficult to resist!
I don't think so. 99.99% it will be Automatic.
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Oh, probably! But they did sell the E28 524td in the US with a manual. Only, not too many, which was the problem.
The [ahem] wagon aftermarket kit couldn't have helped !!!


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I can't see BMW ever not offering a manual in any 3 series.
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Old 05-15-2012, 03:43 AM
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My guess is the US will get a 328iT xDrive with a choice of manual and AT.
I thought the E91 had a choice between RWD and AWD? I know for Canada it was AWD only.

I wouldn't mind getting a RWD Wagon
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I can't see BMW ever not offering a manual in any 3 series.
Like the 335d?
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I thought the E91 had a choice between RWD and AWD? I know for Canada it was AWD only.

I wouldn't mind getting a RWD Wagon
The take rate for the rear drive Touring model is really low. From a business perspective it makes little sense.
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I thought the E91 had a choice between RWD and AWD? I know for Canada it was AWD only.

I wouldn't mind getting a RWD Wagon
I just checked BMWUSA.com and I can configure an E91 in RWD or AWD, and I can remove the Steptronic on both of them. So if the E91 was offered in rear or all wheel drive, and with or without a third peddle, then don't you think the F31 will follow suit? The sedan will be.
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I just checked BMWUSA.com and I can configure an E91 in RWD or AWD, and I can remove the Steptronic on both of them. So if the E91 was offered in rear or all wheel drive, and with or without a third peddle, then don't you think the F31 will follow suit? The sedan will be.
The first year 2006 E91 was, I think, a 325xi and available in AWD only. The RWD and 328i came along for 2007.

They sell more 'verts than wagons, so who knows what they'll do.
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Old 05-15-2012, 09:06 AM
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I just checked BMWUSA.com and I can configure an E91 in RWD or AWD, and I can remove the Steptronic on both of them. So if the E91 was offered in rear or all wheel drive, and with or without a third peddle, then don't you think the F31 will follow suit? The sedan will be.
Blame the US government for forcing so many crash tests on each car variant. I think you only get an exemption if you're really small volume, like Ferrari.
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The article said there would be an M Sport version. That would have to be RWD. They did it on the E46 and E91 so why not this? And I'm sure you'll be able to order a manual transmission also. If you see one on a showroom floor, it would almost certainly be an automatic, but if you're willing to wait, or do Euro-delivery, I'm sure you can get 3 pedals just like the one in the picture.

And so long as manual/RWD is available, may be an eventual replacement for the E46 Touring. I just wish the nose wasn't quite so high.
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Why does it take BMW SO long to release new variants of a series? Mercedes is much better at rolling out coupes, convertibles, sedans, and wagons of its given model. With BMW it's years between variants. Very frustrating. When are the new coupes and verts coming out? 2014?
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I can't see BMW ever not offering a manual in any 3 series.
Why not? It makes sense in the future if no one is actually buying them. Let's be real here, the people that BMW depends on for profits and volume aren't buying the 6MT. It's the "enthusiasts" who don't buy new BMWs every couple years. They keep their cars for a decade. BMW doesn't have to please these members, if they're not buying new cars from them.

Only BMW and Audi seem adamant to keeping the 6MT around. Look at MB or Lexus. They only offer the 6MT on the lower end models, whereas Audi/BMW offer it throughout the whole 3 lineup.

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With increased space, I no longer feel the need for 5 series touring.
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Why does it take BMW SO long to release new variants of a series? Mercedes is much better at rolling out coupes, convertibles, sedans, and wagons of its given model. With BMW it's years between variants. Very frustrating. When are the new coupes and verts coming out? 2014?
I suspect that Mercedes has more engineering resources available to work on the full line than BMW does. So BMW devotes most effort to the sedan first...then, as the sedan nears production status, can reallocate efforts to the largely similar touring first and finally move the resources to the coupe & cabrio models. The alternative, I suppose, would be to finish the sedan but keep it under wraps until the others are ready as well.

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I'll tell ya'll... If there's a F31 335xi available that can give me an avg of 25mpg [and better would be better] and still slam me into my seat performance wise when I put the foot down, I don't think I'll care which transmission it'll come with.

Now tho... if the addition of the 'x' prohibits the option of M Sport suspension, that may a) disappoint, and b) make me pause when deciding what to get. Glad if I have to decide, and I bet we will, it won't be for another year.
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The E91 came in awd, with manual tranny and Msport - it must be true cause I have one in my driveway.

So did the E61 535x drive. But in the F10 no manual transmission in drive, but in Canada (at least) you can get Msport on the drive. Well and no F11 for that matter. 5 GT...puleez

I bet the toast the manual tranny option. A real shame though Would be so nice if we could just order to suit our wants. Make mine a 335xi Msport MT in Carbon Black with cinnamon interior!
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BMW are you listening? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Bring this to America with the option of the new auto 20d EfficientDynamics engine!!!!

If you do, you will sell more of these than all Audi A3's, Jetta Sportwagens and Prius' combined!

For those who are unfamiliar, with that new 2 liter diesel engine, the F31 could get 50mpg!!

In fact, BMW needs to put that engine as an option in most of their models, even an X5 and definitely an X3. Who wouldn't want an X5 that got around 36-40hwy?!!!
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BMW are you listening? PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Bring this to America with the option of the new auto 20d EfficientDynamics engine!!!!

If you do, you will sell more of these than all Audi A3's, Jetta Sportwagens and Prius' combined...
I admire your enthusiasm, but you might be overstating this just a skosh considering the pricing on some of those models compared to a BMW.
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I'll tell ya'll... If there's a F31 335xi available that can give me an avg of 25mpg [and better would be better] and still slam me into my seat performance wise when I put the foot down, I don't think I'll care which transmission it'll come with.

Now tho... if the addition of the 'x' prohibits the option of M Sport suspension, that may a) disappoint, and b) make me pause when deciding what to get. Glad if I have to decide, and I bet we will, it won't be for another year.
Adaptive suspension and steering is available for the first time (according to my CA) in an AWD BMW with the option now there for ordering on the 2013 F30, so I would imagine it will be available on the F31 too.

I'm not sure how much sportier than stock suspension it is and how it stacks up to sport suspension but my CA says it's a first for BMW.
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Adaptive suspension and steering is available for the first time (according to my CA) in an AWD BMW with the option now there for ordering on the 2013 F30, so I would imagine it will be available on the F31 too.
I'm not sure how much sportier than stock suspension it is and how it stacks up to sport suspension but my CA says it's a first for BMW.
Now that is something! I have Penske 8100 dual adjustable racing dampers on my C43/55 and have tried every realistic combination of the individual compression to rebound speed in various driving situations. I gather from descriptions and accounts that the Adaptive suspension is like me changing the compression from 1/6 to 4/6 (give or take one "click" of the adjuster) and similar change on rebound (tho rebound has like 5x more division indents for some reason), but automatically and on the fly. If that is indeed the the case, the Adaptive suspension is a must have for me.

That upcoming wagon could be stacking up to be the do-all be-all vehicle I always wanted and can serve the purpose of three that I have now in one. (fast, yet frugal, great handling, yet utilitarian & capable in all weather [but with the changing of tires between summer & winter]).

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