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E82 / E88 1 Series (2008 - 2013)
BMWs throw back to the iconic 2002, with a renewed form and function. The smallest car in BMW's line up but still packs a punch. Available in coupe or convertible, powered by either an inline 6 in the 128 or the twin turbo rocket sled 135.

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Old 05-04-2008, 01:51 PM
gmund1948 gmund1948 is offline
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A fool if you don't think the 135/335 All american BMWs are a Steal

I live in Germany 9 month out of the year, I drive an 08 C-6 a e93 335I vert, an 03 Z4
sport and am picking up a 135 and will be replacing the 335i with the M3 convertable
(wifes) The Vette may lose to a M3 Sedan once the facelift is complete.

You don't know much about what others pay for BMWs do you ?
When were you in Germany?
What was that Vin of your ED 335 and I can have someone check your accuracy

One euro is worth $1.50 dollars easy ( hit 1.60 last week )

A 135 with the same equiptment as a US 135 with ZPP and ZSP is US $38K
A German buying the same German spec car in EUROs is paying 59K euros
which is what $87K USD for a loaded one series

Play with the M-3 and the $69K USD I am spending on a US spec Vert for wife
is near 96K Euros with the same option codes in Dollars $146K ???

The warranty in Germany is 2 years unlimited miles NO MAINTAINENCE

The US Warranty is 4 years 50 K Mile with maintainence

You are touched if you think BMW is Overpriced in the US !!

I almost feel guilty as an American working for our government as I can buy at special pricing even below what stateside is , the Germans think we are Gazillionaires, did you know that the 3 series could be a 4 cylinder ? THats why Euopeans take the badge off their cars or order the free Model delete !

I lived in Japan and Korea, they find BMWs to be very high end cars and pay a huge premium, the Aussies pay $85K for a 135 and over $100K for an M-3

BMW Needs the US market, Yes you can buy a one coupe here thats lighter and has less, for More than you pay in the states ! I would be glad to find you one !






In the 30s they had a Movie where a guy sang a song "If I only had a brain"






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American BMW = fat pig badge whore cars.

I merely mentioned the GTO because that car is outrageously overweight and Pontiac had no interest in keeping weight down. Though it isn't much heavier than the new M3 and has a 400hp/400ftlb V8. And it also had an MSRP significantly below a base 135 with more standard equipment (LSD anyone?) The GTO is also much quicker in a straight line than a 135 and just gets quicker with anything besides the stock 245 all seasons. And it gets comparable mileage while offering comparable interior space. The BMW is undoubtably nicer but remember, it is slower and less powerful.

BMW has a very steep badge premium attached to it in the United States. Without that premium you would see a 135 priced closer to 31-32k.

And one last time, i was not critiequeing the engineering; any redneck with a wrench can lighten a car. The CSL proves that BMW can as well. I was critiequing their beancounters and general direction for the car where BMW makes you pay for fancy folding mirrors, sunroofs, excessive sound deadening, and other premium touches in their supposedly sporty entry level car (1 series) by comparing it to the outrageously expensive CSL package. They should have stripped out the premium stuff, spent the money on shaving weight from car and offered a true entry level sporty car.

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Old 05-04-2008, 07:54 PM
Needagarage Needagarage is offline
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Originally Posted by gmund1948 View Post
I live in Germany 9 month out of the year, I drive an 08 C-6 a e93 335I vert, an 03 Z4
sport and am picking up a 135 and will be replacing the 335i with the M3 convertable
(wifes) The Vette may lose to a M3 Sedan once the facelift is complete.

You don't know much about what others pay for BMWs do you ?
When were you in Germany?
What was that Vin of your ED 335 and I can have someone check your accuracy

One euro is worth $1.50 dollars easy ( hit 1.60 last week )

A 135 with the same equiptment as a US 135 with ZPP and ZSP is US $38K
A German buying the same German spec car in EUROs is paying 59K euros
which is what $87K USD for a loaded one series

Play with the M-3 and the $69K USD I am spending on a US spec Vert for wife
is near 96K Euros with the same option codes in Dollars $146K ???

The warranty in Germany is 2 years unlimited miles NO MAINTAINENCE

The US Warranty is 4 years 50 K Mile with maintainence

You are touched if you think BMW is Overpriced in the US !!

I almost feel guilty as an American working for our government as I can buy at special pricing even below what stateside is , the Germans think we are Gazillionaires, did you know that the 3 series could be a 4 cylinder ? THats why Euopeans take the badge off their cars or order the free Model delete !

I lived in Japan and Korea, they find BMWs to be very high end cars and pay a huge premium, the Aussies pay $85K for a 135 and over $100K for an M-3

BMW Needs the US market, Yes you can buy a one coupe here thats lighter and has less, for More than you pay in the states ! I would be glad to find you one !






In the 30s they had a Movie where a guy sang a song "If I only had a brain"


It is not my fault that i live in the largest capitalist automobile market in the world and manufacturers are beating down my door trying to sell cars. It only makes sense to compare cars in the same country. I have no idea what types of taxes your socialist government puts on vehicles or what restrictions they place on fuel type/displacement/weight etc. What is the price in euros of the C6 vette in Europe vs the M3? That would be a better comparision as they are both being sold in the same country. Comparing country to country is impossible as pricing has to do with volume, dealer networks, marketting, etc. Even in Canada it is much more expensive to buy a car than in the United States and they are very close. For years Canadians have been buying cars in the US and then registering them in Canada.

As the biggest market in the world the US can command the best prices. It is just wal- mart on a national scale. Germany can't compete as a market globally vs the US.
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Old 05-04-2008, 09:32 PM
gmund1948 gmund1948 is offline
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Ok you really are out there

I see why trolling has become a habit


I am an American, I live in Germany, they are not my government

Let me say something to you YOU CAN HELP LIVING IN THE US - MOVE !

Daimler (MB)
BMW
Porsche
VW ( sub brands owned Audi, Seat, Skoda)
Chrysler

Are all companies owned by Germans all but the last are headquartered here.
They are a large part of the Worldwide car market.


Now since you didn't include your Vin, I take it you do not want to prove your story


Troll-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

More appropriate - Troll Slang-a person who lives or sleeps in a park or under a viaduct or bridge, as a bag lady or derelict



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It is not my fault that i live in the largest capitalist automobile market in the world and manufacturers are beating down my door trying to sell cars. It only makes sense to compare cars in the same country. I have no idea what types of taxes your socialist government puts on vehicles or what restrictions they place on fuel type/displacement/weight etc. What is the price in euros of the C6 vette in Europe vs the M3? That would be a better comparision as they are both being sold in the same country. Comparing country to country is impossible as pricing has to do with volume, dealer networks, marketting, etc. Even in Canada it is much more expensive to buy a car than in the United States and they are very close. For years Canadians have been buying cars in the US and then registering them in Canada.

As the biggest market in the world the US can command the best prices. It is just wal- mart on a national scale. Germany can't compete as a market globally vs the US.
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Old 05-05-2008, 04:26 AM
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Sorry about the Troll statement

Sorry about The Troll, thought you were the Poster I quoted before.


My government is your government I am a proud American

However, the cost of owning a BMW in Germany, the European Union or anywhere else in what we consider developed countries per individual is higher by initial purchase cost,
has for the most part more expensive gasoline and has higher running costs than in the United States,

The US charges very little in taxes to cars coming to the US, BMW just wrote down millions of dollars in US Lease values becasue of a tanking market.

Yes America has become the dumping ground for all of the worlds manufactures,

I take it you are proud of that, I inturn am not yet I profit by selling my US Spec Car to a German/Eu citizen at a profit after a year of ownership Just make a few changes and Voila!

I have imported 35 European collectable vehicles into the United States when the dollar was strong, now the Europeans are buying cars in the states and sending them back

Mercedes ML Class diesel in US $48K USD in Germany 75K Euro (135K USD and guess what it is made in America !

The one series selling for $60K Dollars in the US ($60K euro here ) would anyone buy it ?

The X5 X3 are built in the US and sent to Europe,

Can you imagine how much money American car companies could make if we
charged another 10-25 Percent import duty on all cars being imported ?

Another time another story

Go to BMW .de and build a 135 and see the price, it just might scare you.


Again sorry for the Troll meant for Superstock





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Originally Posted by Needagarage View Post
It is not my fault that i live in the largest capitalist automobile market in the world and manufacturers are beating down my door trying to sell cars. It only makes sense to compare cars in the same country. I have no idea what types of taxes your socialist government puts on vehicles or what restrictions they place on fuel type/displacement/weight etc. What is the price in euros of the C6 vette in Europe vs the M3? That would be a better comparision as they are both being sold in the same country. Comparing country to country is impossible as pricing has to do with volume, dealer networks, marketting, etc. Even in Canada it is much more expensive to buy a car than in the United States and they are very close. For years Canadians have been buying cars in the US and then registering them in Canada.

As the biggest market in the world the US can command the best prices. It is just wal- mart on a national scale. Germany can't compete as a market globally vs the US.
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Old 05-05-2008, 08:09 PM
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Um, I was looking for the"135 VS EVO" thread, has anyone seen that? Let me know, cause it's not here.
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Old 05-05-2008, 11:41 PM
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Same here man I am deciding on getting the 135i or Evo X MR. So this is what it comes down to personal preference. Because they both are great cars with different advantages, for a daily drive/(few track) car I would choose the 135i I test drove it and had a blast driving it it was fun and fast. The Evo X MR is not out yet only the GSR and I could not test drive it but I saw it looks nice as f*** in the red but the interior is its downfall plus its a Mitsubishi...so if you wanna pick up chicks the 135i is more of a chick magnet, but the Evo is more performance, plus upgrades are going to be cheaper then a bimmer. So if your into moddifying your car and you not richy rich then the evo would be cheaper in the long run because usually the Japaneses after market pars are less then Euro parts. Then you got the 1 series fast too and fun to drive has a luxurious interior compared to the Evo X. I have a tough choice to make but either car I get I will be a happy mother F***er..lol both are great cars. One can decide only from personal CHOICE to buy an Evo or 135
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Old 06-03-2012, 12:53 PM
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????? Evo

It looks like I'm on the EVO forum by reading this Thread. They are totally two different cars. Maybe if the 135i had all wheel drive it would be different? If your looking to get either car why would you compare the two? The EVO would be better for the wife to pick up the kids because of the four doors . I'm just saying. BMW 135i are kick ass cars but are so much different than the EVO. Sorry if I'm out of line I just thought I was on the BMW forum.
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Old 06-03-2012, 05:15 PM
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It looks like I'm on the EVO forum by reading this Thread. They are totally two different cars. Maybe if the 135i had all wheel drive it would be different? If your looking to get either car why would you compare the two? The EVO would be better for the wife to pick up the kids because of the four doors . I'm just saying. BMW 135i are kick ass cars but are so much different than the EVO. Sorry if I'm out of line I just thought I was on the BMW forum.
What's an EVO? Never heard of it. Is it a new European brand?
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Old 06-03-2012, 05:18 PM
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http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._mr_comparison

Motortrend did a bit of a comparision and for anyone still wondering how good of a track car the 135 is take a look.

The answer? Not good. 10 seconds on a little over a 2 mile course is embarrasing. Not that the 135 is slow but the EVO is otherworldly.

The one thing i also don't agree with is who they compare to the 135. Car magazine are comparing base prices but nearly every real world car is about 3-5k cheaper than a similarly equipped 135. I think lots of people will cross shop the G37 vs the 135 since they are very close in price and power yet Motortrend dismissed that comparison.

anyway, it is an interesting read and the BMW bias is apparent since they chose the slower, 8k more expensive car.
Is the 135 sold as a track car? Who knew? Personally I would go for a 318.
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