Non RFT Recommindation

Originally Posted by Blkthght

This is great information. I'm getting the tires, tpms, mount and balance for $1306 out the door. I'll definitely ask about the rebate form and the torque wrench. Thanks again for the help.

That's a great price, but what are you doing with your OEM runflats? I hope you aren't just letting the tire shop take them? My tire shop took them on consignment and told me that they will try to sell them for me, if they sell one for 100 bucks and charge 20 bucks to mount it they will keep the 20 and give me the $100.

Originally Posted by TJPark01

That's a great price, but what are you doing with your OEM runflats? I hope you aren't just letting the tire shop take them? My tire shop took them on consignment and told me that they will try to sell them for me, if they sell one for 100 bucks and charge 20 bucks to mount it they will keep the 20 and give me the $100.

Your consignment arrangement actually sounds like a good deal....win/win for both consignor and consignee. But for now I decided that I'm going to hold on to the oem runflats and just store them in my garage or my yard under a tarp. I figure they make for good spares in case one of the PSS tires is damaged and I have to wait on a replacement. And I'm not sure how long the max performance pss tires are going to last anyway. Will they hold out up to and through lease return?? What if I keep the car and want to mount them again?? Who knows. So I'll just hold on to them since it isn't imperative for me to sell them right now. Thanks again.

Originally Posted by Blkthght

Your consignment arrangement actually sounds like a good deal....win/win for both consignor and consignee. But for now I decided that I'm going to hold on to the oem runflats and just store them in my garage or my yard under a tarp. I figure they make for good spares in case one of the PSS tires is damaged and I have to wait on a replacement. And I'm not sure how long the max performance pss tires are going to last anyway. Will they hold out up to and through lease return?? What if I keep the car and want to mount them again?? Who knows. So I'll just hold on to them since it isn't imperative for me to sell them right now. Thanks again.

Forgot about leasing. I don't lease so I forget that people have to return the car with RFT's on the car. Definitely hold on to the tires as spares, and if you decide to return the car then you will have to remount the RFT's.

FYI, be careful with Michelin PSS if you go to 20" as you will likely get 7/32" Tread Depth in Front and 10/32" in the Rear. This may have to do with the Tire being engineered for Ferrari. For this and other reasons, I will go with a different tire on the 20s"

Originally Posted by TJPark01

I got fed up with the RFT's today. I'm getting the Bridgestone Potenza S-04's. It came down to these and the PSS. These are slightly cheaper, but that's not the reason I got these. I've had good experiences with Bridgestone tires, so it's more brand loyalty than anything else.

You can read the test report here if you care:
Testing Two New Max Performance Summer Heavy Hitters

My understanding is that with RFT the suspension tuning is different than NRF tires...did you have to go to the dealer for that or make any other changes with the NRFT?

No issues with pressure sensors after the switch?

Thx

Originally Posted by emimix

My understanding is that with RFT the suspension tuning is different than NRF tires...did you have to go to the dealer for that or make any other changes with the NRFT?

No issues with pressure sensors after the switch?

Thx

Think of the RFT as a rugged work boot, it's heavy & bulky but will protect your feet. However, if you're gonna go running it's ideal to wear some running shoes.
The tire is, in and of itself, a vital if not the most important piece of the suspension. But it behaves independent of the fixed suspension components. There are no alterations needed to the suspension or TPMS sensors when you switch to regular go flat tires. The only adjustment you may need is to buy a 5 dollar can of tire sealant in case you get a flat or a air compressor kit.

Originally Posted by TJPark01

Think of the RFT as a rugged work boot, it's heavy & bulky but will protect your feet. However, if you're gonna go running it's ideal to wear some running shoes.
The tire is, in and of itself, a vital if not the most important piece of the suspension. But it behaves independent of the fixed suspension components. There are no alterations needed to the suspension or TPMS sensors when you switch to regular go flat tires. The only adjustment you may need is to buy a 5 dollar can of tire sealant in case you get a flat or a air compressor kit.

Thanks, TJPark. Very useful info...I'm really sick from my RFT. I had to replace 3 of them so far and waited forever each time I had to order one

Originally Posted by emimix

Thanks, TJPark. Very useful info...I'm really sick from my RFT. I had to replace 3 of them so far and waited forever each time I had to order one

There are just too many benefits to regular tires and too many sacrifices to make with RFT's. I get the RFT theory and it makes sense on paper. Socialism may seem like a good idea, everyone gets and contributes a equal share on paper, but that's not really how it works out in real life.

Originally Posted by TJPark01

There are just too many benefits to regular tires and too many sacrifices to make with RFT's. I get the RFT theory and it makes sense on paper. Socialism may seem like a good idea, everyone gets and contributes a equal share on paper, but that's not really how it works out in real life.

Although if everything I read about 3Gen RFTs is true, then that will be the winner IMO.

Originally Posted by Stealth.Pilot

Although if everything I read about 3Gen RFTs is true, then that will be the winner IMO.

I've read the same stuff, and I just can't see how they can make the tire, as light, and less prone to bubbles and damage and still be price competitive. Also I've noticed these regular tires don't generate as much heat (there isn't as much tire pressure fluctuation) and I've been getting better gas mileage so far as well. Until I see real world results from nxt gen RFT's, I'm still a skeptic.

Originally Posted by TJPark01

. Until I see real world results from nxt gen RFT's, I'm still a skeptic.

Just my feelings, hearing the same from BMW representatives for a couple of years now that "the new generation is so much better", I have not seen any real favourable test results. And my skepticism is feeded by the standard tires on the F10 M5.

Ordered Bridgestone S-04 today. Wanted Michelin PSS but couldn't get as quickly.

Thanks for this forum for allaying my fears on driving without a parachute, so to speak. Also ordered Slime tire repair kit from Amazon for $39.77.

Originally Posted by lindros2

Ordered Bridgestone S-04 today. Wanted Michelin PSS but couldn't get as quickly.

Thanks for this forum for allaying my fears on driving without a parachute, so to speak. Also ordered Slime tire repair kit from Amazon for $39.77.

You chose wisely. I can't say enough about this tire. Smooth ride, tons of grip, better steering feel, doesn't transmit every road imperfection into the cabin or steering wheel. The tread pattern looks great and according to the guys at the tire shop should outlast the Michelin Pilot Super Sports, even though the tread-wear rating is lower, (although I think a lot of that has to do with the operator).

Originally Posted by TJPark01

You chose wisely. I can't say enough about this tire. Smooth ride, tons of grip, better steering feel, doesn't transmit every road imperfection into the cabin or steering wheel. The tread pattern looks great and according to the guys at the tire shop should outlast the Michelin Pilot Super Sports, even though the tread-wear rating is lower, (although I think a lot of that has to do with the operator).

In this month's Car and Driver, this was rated a fraction behind the PSS's. Their quote was it does everything you want it to do. The PSS just does a little bit more.

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

In this month's Car and Driver, this was rated a fraction behind the PSS's. Their quote was it does everything you want it to do. The PSS just does a little bit more.

I hear that. Didn't read the article but I imagine the PSS is more of a pure performance tire. It came down to the PSS and the S-04. The PSS was a couple hundred bucks more but my decision was based more on talking to the tire shop people when I told them what I wanted in the F10, how I drive and that I was only using the car for street use. They know I have a 335i coupe and they said that you will get more out of the PSS in that car. SO that's what I'm gonna put on the 335i.

Originally Posted by TJPark01

I hear that. Didn't read the article but I imagine the PSS is more of a pure performance tire. It came down to the PSS and the S-04. The PSS was a couple hundred bucks more but my decision was based more on talking to the tire shop people when I told them what I wanted in the F10, how I drive and that I was only using the car for street use. They know I have a 335i coupe and they said that you will get more out of the PSS in that car. SO that's what I'm gonna put on the 335i.

Yup.

This is why I honestly don't mind high performance all seasons. I honestly don't push the car to the limits, so as long as the tire is very good at 8/10ths, I'm good.