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X1 E84 (2011 - current)
The new to the US BMW X1 will arrive at BMW dealers in the fall of 2012 as a 2013 model year. Get your X1 28i with either sDrive (RWD) or xDrive (AWD) or get the US exclusive I6 N55 powered X1 35i dDrive.

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Old 07-14-2012, 10:30 PM
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No it doesn't. It clearly states electric power steering for the xDrive35i. Link.

And Servotronic can be had with electric or hydraulic, which is why the Electric Power Steering xDrive35i comes standard with Servotronic.
And yet right on the features and specs page it states Servotronic. So they're what you're saying is, they're now using servotronic to mean different things? Before it was implemented on hydraulic systems to offer variable steering assistance. Why they would even need to mention it on a EPS system is beyond me, that's what they do.
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Old 07-15-2012, 11:36 AM
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No it doesn't. It clearly states electric power steering for the xDrive35i. Link.

And Servotronic can be had with electric or hydraulic, which is why the Electric Power Steering xDrive35i comes standard with Servotronic.
It certainly states it clearly. However it may not state it accurately. We may need to wait for the cars to actually arrive to know for sure. If the website is accurate, the X1 35 would be the only X1 with EPS and the only BMW I am aware of that has both EPS and a 6 speed auto transmission.
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Old 07-17-2012, 07:02 AM
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OK, clearly I wanted to believe so badly, that I made up data to fit what I wanted things to be versus what they actually are (sort of like religion).

When I first saw this photo a while ago, before I saw many X1 photos... I convinced myself that the vehicle on the far left was the X1. It had a nice shape, was a nice size, had the tell-tale 2013 silver mid-frame highlight, and the X1 Y-spoke stock wheels.

However when I saw it again just now, I had a sinking feeling that the little bitty A3-like station wagony thing on the far left is the X1? Yes, it might only look that small next to the other cars. Will have to see it in real life.

Can anyone confirm that in the photo is pictured from left to right: the X5, X6, X3, and X1?
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Old 07-17-2012, 07:17 AM
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OK, clearly I wanted to believe so badly, that I made up data to fit what I wanted things to be versus what they actually are (sort of like religion).

When I first saw this photo a while ago, before I saw many X1 photos... I convinced myself that the vehicle on the far left was the X1. It had a nice shape, was a nice size, had the tell-tale 2013 silver mid-frame highlight, and the X1 Y-spoke stock wheels.

However when I saw it again just now, I had a sinking feeling that the little bitty A3-like station wagony thing on the far left is the X1? Yes, it might only look that small next to the other cars. Will have to see it in real life.

Can anyone confirm that in the photo is pictured from left to right: the X5, X6, X3, and X1?
You are correct both times, far left is X1; from left to right: X1, X6, X5, X3
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You are correct both times, far left is X1; from left to right: X1, X6, X5, X3
Wow. Now this changes things back again, to the positive.

Since far left is X1, then the smallest looking vehicle far right must be the OLD smaller X3.

I always liked the 'right' size of the old X3 - perhaps X1 is big enough.

In other photos where the X1 looks so small next to the X3, those must be the NEW larger X3.

From this angle, the X1 looks the nicest of the bunch!
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Since cargo capacity was brought up, I made this comparison that might be interesting to potential X1 owners:

cargo capacity w/rear seats up:
X1: 14.8 cu.ft.
E91: 16.2 cu.ft.
A4: 17.3 cu.ft. (B8 Avant)
F31: 17.5 cu.ft.
X3: 27.6 cu.ft. (F25)

cargo capacity w/rear seats folded:
X1: 47.7 cu.ft.
E91: 48.9 cu.ft.
A4: 50.5 cu.ft. (B8 Avant)
F31: 53.0 cu.ft.
X3: 63.3 cu.ft. (F25)
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Nice comparo on 'space'...
fwiw, my CEO's Hyundai Tuck has ~26 cubic feet in rear cargo, with rear seats up...
We regularly stuff 4 sets of golf clubs, shoes, and junque in back, and seat 4 adults.

The X1 might hold one set, and a pair of shoes?
Surprised how small that rear space is; the ext pics are deceiving.
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Old 07-19-2012, 04:50 AM
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I'm an '07 X3 owner and thoroughly enjoy my car, however, like you, I've been eyeing the X1 for years. I especially wanted the diesel stateside, but alas, that's not going to be the case for now.
I just arrived in Frankfurt this week and have an X1d for the next two weeks. I'll try to post my feelings here when I can. So far I really enjoy the vehicle though I haven't been out on the autobahn yet (this weekend). As far as size goes it is definitely shorter in stature than my existing X3, but I don't find it distasteful at all. It is definitely NOT A3 short in visual appearance. That, my friend I can guarantee. I've been to the Audi dealership many times (salivating a bit at the S5) and always found the A3 cute, but just too short (I am 6'2" and the ingress and egress are too much). The X1, however, is a really nice size to get in and out of. Visually, regarding stature, it fits my ideal perfectly. X5's, while a beauty, look like beasts to me. I guess it's my frequent travels to europe that have me convinced that not every good, capacity holding vehicle, has to be the size of a mini-bus. I really do admire the updated X3, but if the U.S. ever gets the diesel X1 I think I will be buying one pronto. BTW, after 2 days of in city navigating I'm average 31.5mpg with the diesel. Can't wait to see what the autobahn delivers.
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Old 07-19-2012, 10:05 AM
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I'm an '07 X3 owner and thoroughly enjoy my car, however, like you, I've been eyeing the X1 for years. I especially wanted the diesel stateside, but alas, that's not going to be the case for now.
I just arrived in Frankfurt this week and have an X1d for the next two weeks. I'll try to post my feelings here when I can. So far I really enjoy the vehicle though I haven't been out on the autobahn yet (this weekend). As far as size goes it is definitely shorter in stature than my existing X3, but I don't find it distasteful at all. It is definitely NOT A3 short in visual appearance. That, my friend I can guarantee. I've been to the Audi dealership many times (salivating a bit at the S5) and always found the A3 cute, but just too short (I am 6'2" and the ingress and egress are too much). The X1, however, is a really nice size to get in and out of. Visually, regarding stature, it fits my ideal perfectly. X5's, while a beauty, look like beasts to me. I guess it's my frequent travels to europe that have me convinced that not every good, capacity holding vehicle, has to be the size of a mini-bus. I really do admire the updated X3, but if the U.S. ever gets the diesel X1 I think I will be buying one pronto. BTW, after 2 days of in city navigating I'm average 31.5mpg with the diesel. Can't wait to see what the autobahn delivers.
thanks. I look forward to your update(s).
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• The stiff rear hatch too difficult to close for many housewives or older folks
The power liftgate is one of the things I'm most jealous of in the shiny new X3s, the X1s won't have it, or the option?

I, too, would kill for a DIESEL option, X3 or X1. But a small, ultra efficient X1 would especially rock!
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I just arrived in Frankfurt this week and have an X1d for the next two weeks. I'll try to post my feelings here when I can.
Can't wait to hear your thoughts! Pics would be awesome too, if possible. Curious how the interior storage space feels with seats up versus seats down.
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Old 07-20-2012, 12:21 AM
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You are in luck. As I pulled into the parking garage last night I located both a 3 wagon and an A3. Parked next to each and took some photos with my phone. The garage (under ground) was dark but hopefully these pics help give you a decent comparo. I don't believe I'm being biased in that I feel the X1, in person, just looks more stout than the other two. Now, I like all three cars, personally, but IMO it's clear the X1 does not look diminutive in the least. Again I'm 6'2", a current X3 owner, and I find the size and ingress/egress ideal. Will post more about my driving experiences over the weekend. BTW my "mix" driving mpg is now 34.5! Gotta love that.

Regarding the X1 to A3 comparo, the X1 just feels like it has more girth.
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Thanks for the pics. The lease on my 3er wagon is up in the Fall and I am seriously considering the X1. It seems to solve my need.
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Regarding the X1 to A3 comparo, the X1 just feels like it has more girth.
Thanks for the pics.

Well, the answer is clear... I like whatever car is.... closest to the foreground!

Nuts. Is it really so close in size to the A3, so neck in neck? The A3 looks a closer match in size that the 3er wagon in those shots.

I have to work to see what you're saying about girth. Yes, I can see that it's there, but not in the spades I might have thought it was.

My neighbor just traded his MT X5 for an Acura RDX, and is trying to push me in that direction. "If you're going to be forced by BMW to do AT anyway, it might as well be Asian."

Hmm, do I want a give protest vote to BMW or get a car?
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Autoblog says the 35i they test drove had hydraulic steering.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/07/18/2...deo/#continued
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X1 too small

Our new X1 28I replaced our 08 X3.
Very similar in size inside. Love the 40-20-40 rear split. A bit smaller outside. A lot more fun to drive. Will not miss the old X3 much.
The X1 is a little smaller than my pals new Venza, if that helps.
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Our new X1 28I replaced our 08 X3.
Very similar in size inside. Love the 40-20-40 rear split. A bit smaller outside. A lot more fun to drive. Will not miss the old X3 much.
The X1 is a little smaller than my pals new Venza, if that helps.
The Venza is 6 inches longer and an inch wider then the F25 X3, it dwarfs the X1.
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Old 07-23-2012, 12:57 AM
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Teleskier, it is clear to my eyes, side by side, that the X1 looks heftier than the A3. I think an 80 year old with poor eyes could tell you the X1, in physical appearance, is the bigger car.
I drove the X1 for over 13 freeway hours this weekend. I love the way it drives. Solid, quick, just like I'd expect from a BMW. I wasn't with a full load so it's difficult for me to comment on stowage capacity, but it's an ideal size IMO, if you want to be able to move some suitcases, ski bags, mulch bags, or flats of flowers it will serve your purpose. If you are moving trees or very large boxes then it isn't what you are looking for (then again neither is the A3 or 3er wagon).

In very heavy traffic I averaged 33mph with the diesel. When the freeway opened up I was doing 100-110mph, consistently, and topped out at 140mph. The car maintained sure footing throughout (not that you'd ever reach that mph in the states). The X1 will definitely be on my short list next year. I just wish the U.S. was getting the diesel.

Note: unfortunately, in my photos, the A3 and 3er wagon were both black.

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Thanks. I have a feeling I will be OK on the size when I see it.

This weekend I was on our Cape Cod beach having cocktails with friends. The topic of our first cars came up. So many were GTI - and these folks all said how much fun the GTI was - and despite all the more expensive cars we had over 2+ decades, that the GTI *still* ranked as the most fun car we'd all had ever driven.

I want FUN driving with this car. Can the N20 deliver? We'll see.

Diesel is coming to the US X1 the year after - will it really come, and will that be fun if it does? Doubt I can wait that long.
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The diesel is coming next year. And it will be lots of fun. So much so that I may even trade in my 6 months old X1 by then to get a new diesel.
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The diesel is coming next year. And it will be lots of fun. So much so that I may even trade in my 6 months old X1 by then to get a new diesel.
more fun than the 28i or 35i? I doubt it, but surely it will be more efficient and if that's what you are after, I'd wait instead of taking the hit on a trade. I'm expecting 40+ MPG on the interstate like the VW.

The diesel that will most likely be fitted to the X1 is the 2.0 which is an older engine rated at 180 hp/280 tq; sufficient power, but not in the same league as the 28i.
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Couldn't have waited. Winter is coming. Just came back from the BMW Test Drive for the Olympics event. Wanted to drive the new 328i and A4 back to back, but they didn't have the A4 there. The 328i with the N20 engine surprised me. It felt very fast, and in sports mode the pedal response was instantaneous and powerful. Very similar to the Sports Chrono option in the Porsches in the Sports Plus mode. The ride was very good, very compliant. I was surprised that the run-flat tires felt so good on this car. There's definitely something new and different about these run-flat tires. The inside is a lot nice than the previous 3 series with lots of soft plastics abound. The digital projection option was very cool, very well implemented. I wish this was a stand-a-lone option on the X1. I would've gotten it in a heart beat. There is an instant mpg indicator, which my 535i xDrive did not have, and with the Eco Pro mode turned on in conjunction with the auto stop/start function, I can see this car getting 40 mpg. The stop/start function seems very well implemented. Very cool!

The only negative thing I observed was the steering feel. It's electric, and very light, which I just couldn't stand. You can turn the wheel with 1 finger. It was a very numbing experience. During my short drive (10 miles or so), the steering wheel vibrated twice. I think it was the lane assist option kicking in, but I was in my lane. I find that sensation to be very annoying, and disturbing both time it kicked in. Also there was an error message projected on to the front wind shield about the side cameras being broken or obstructed. It was working fine before I left the dealership. The more electronics on the car, the more things that can go wrong it seems.

I'm glad my X1 has the hydraulic power steering. Even though I ordered mine with the Servotronic option, it still will be better than the electric power steering in the 328i or the X1 sDrive. I don't know how much my X1 xDrive weights without the 2 sun-roofs and power components and also without the power front seats. I'm thinking that's about 300 lbs in weight savings, so hopefully my X1 is around 3500 lbs. The 328i sDrive is listed at 3320 lbs, and it felt as fast as my 3875 lbs 535i xDrive N54 twin-turbo inline 6 with its N20 twin-scroll turbo - the one in the my X1. Feel free to ask any questions.

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To clarify the steering. The X1 sDrive 28i gets EPS, the X1 xDrive 28i and 35i get hydraulic. I was told this was due to space limitations, the EPS rack is very large and there wasn't room for both the rack and the front diff.

The X1 is a blast to drive, the size is perfect and very comfortable. If you're looking for a compact SUV/SAV you cannot go wrong with the X1. Read the full Bimmerfest.com driving review -

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=635240

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Holy crap – the alcohol has worn off and suddenly the person at the bar doesn’t look so hot anymore. Here from this realistic person-height photo, it looks just like a lowly and low station wagon – not an SUV at all.
I'm only interested if it rides low and doesn't look like an SUV.
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