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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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Old 07-02-2012, 09:30 AM
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Why cant BMW make something like that? BMW ,as a company, really needs a halo car. Mercedes has the mclaren, Audi has the A8, even Lexus have the LF-A. BMW needs to step up to the plate.
Maybe it is the job of the 120K$+ i8.

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Old 07-02-2012, 10:06 AM
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Maybe it is the job of the 120K$+ i8.
The I8 is more of a test car than a production car.

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Old 07-02-2012, 11:20 AM
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I like this kitcar sitting atop a Volkswagen drivetrain better, but to each his own.

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Old 07-02-2012, 01:42 PM
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I have watched enough videos where people in cars like R8 broke loose at the slightest attempt to show some speed, that the only skill these people had was to show you they have money to throw away.

Of course it makes sense, if you are constantly in the shadow of BJ's rhetoric, it can drive you to that point as the only response you can have.
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Old 07-02-2012, 02:08 PM
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I have watched enough videos where people in cars like R8 broke loose at the slightest attempt to show some speed, that the only skill these people had was to show you they have money to throw away.

Of course it makes sense, if you are constantly in the shadow of BJ's rhetoric, it can drive you to that point as the only response you can have.
You should watch the one where the jb4 335i with four passangers overtakes a v10 spyder
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Old 07-02-2012, 02:36 PM
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You should watch the one where the jb4 335i with four passangers overtakes a v10 spyder
I am not surprised, those passengers likely provided needed traction to put the power down on the pavement.
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Old 07-03-2012, 06:54 AM
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Certainly does not come close to the R8, which did not seem to gain any respect around here.
the R8 gets a lot of my respect. Anyone that doesn't respect that machine, is all show and no go if you get my drift.
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Old 07-03-2012, 08:28 AM
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the R8 gets a lot of my respect. Anyone that doesn't respect that machine, is all show and no go if you get my drift.
That is only if you know how to "get going" in a car like R8. Unfortunately I suspect many who drive R8 and the likes don't know how to handle those beasts, and quickly lose respect from the bystanders.

I guess the question is, respect for what? The car, or the one who sits behind the wheel?

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Old 07-03-2012, 08:58 AM
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That is only if you know how to "get going" in a car like R8. Unfortunately I suspect many who drive R8 and the likes don't know how to handle those beasts, and quickly lose respect from the bystanders.

I guess the question is, respect for what? The car, or the one who sits behind the wheel?
Why would the R8 be tough to get going with all wheel drive?
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the R8 gets a lot of my respect.
If its the 4.2 FSI's up until the spyder launch then LOL, if it's the 5.2s then it's perfectly reasonable to acknowledge it.

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Why would the R8 be tough to get going with all wheel drive?
Those are R tronics can be a real challenge
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Old 07-03-2012, 06:09 PM
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Heh, funny. The R8 is one of the most livable super cars out there. Hard to break loose an AWD R8 unless you turn off all electronic nannies. You put a dummy inside any car and you have a dummy driving. You can do more damage in an M3, Mustang, or Camaro because it's easier to break loose.
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Old 07-03-2012, 07:01 PM
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Heh, funny. The R8 is one of the most livable super cars out there. Hard to break loose an AWD R8 unless you turn off all electronic nannies. You put a dummy inside any car and you have a dummy driving. You can do more damage in an M3, Mustang, or Camaro because it's easier to break loose.
You can't make any car idiot proof.
Idiots are very resourceful.

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Old 07-03-2012, 08:48 PM
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Like getting caught surprised by the acceleration and forgot to turn the steering wheel at the turn. In the future model the electronic nanny will have to turn the wheel for the driver.
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Old 07-18-2012, 03:16 PM
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I think the S4 is a fine car, and I think its been beat on enough for me to avoid that , but it should also be noted if the "S-Line" is considered their M/AMG division equivalent, should that really be going up against what I would consider a base sedan? I mean it would make me feel better that a non-M base car can compete with another's sport division.
I'm not sure how the thread got off on the hoi polloi, Cheez Whiz, man servant tangents, but I wholeheartedly agree with SuperTerp. I think the S4's a fantastic car, but it damn well should be given its higher price than the non-M 3er. The S4 went head to head with the M3 as recently as the E36 days, but then BMW decided to turn up the heat. Now Audi's always comparing the S4 to the 335i because neither the S4 nor the RS4 can top an M3. It's like the 5th grader looking to fight the 3rd grader in the schoolyard and the 3rd grader still almost kicks his a$$.

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Old 07-18-2012, 03:22 PM
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The only thing "unfair" in the 335i to S4 comparison is that the S4 is AWD and the 335i is not. If you put x-drive on the 335i then the price difference between the cars shrinks to something like $2000. And for that $2000 premium the S4 has a whole helluva lot better kit including leather sport seats, etc.

The reality is that if you price a 335i x-drive sport against an S4 base, they are almost exactly the same price, the only problem (for BMW) is that the S4 performs better and still gives more options as standard than the 3-er.
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Old 07-20-2012, 08:56 AM
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I don't know about you, but when I'm buying a luxury sport sedan, I'd like some creature comforts. While it's true the two cars are separated by $2k in stripper form, if you option them comparably with navi, heated seats, and add the Audi Drive Select features that come standard on the Bimmer, the cost of the S4 jumps up to $61k vs $56k for the 335xi. 10% more gets my attention if I'm comparison shopping. It'll be interesting to see how the 0-60 time shapes up for the F30 xDrive. The E90xi is quicker to 60 than the S4.
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