335i or 328i

Originally Posted by panerai7

100% agree, I would take G37S over 328i - any day, 0 hesitation

Have you guys driven the F30 with the N20 engine and the G37 back to back? I bet you haven't.

I have.

The 328i does not have anything to apologize to Infiniti about. It has a nicer, more modern interior that feels a lot roomier, it has far better technology features, offers comparable acceleration, sublime handling and of course gets FAR better fuel economy.

About the only thing that the G37 has is that it makes the driver feel better about having six cylinders, there is zero turbo lag (the 328i under some situations does have mild turbo lag) and it "sounds" like a sports sedan.

Fortunately I driven while listening to music, so the car can sound like a lawnmower, I don't care.

Originally Posted by voip-ninja

Have you guys driven the F30 with the N20 engine and the G37 back to back? I bet you haven't.

I have.

The 328i does not have anything to apologize to Infiniti about. It has a nicer, more modern interior that feels a lot roomier, it has far better technology features, offers comparable acceleration, sublime handling and of course gets FAR better fuel economy.

About the only thing that the G37 has is that it makes the driver feel better about having six cylinders, there is zero turbo lag (the 328i under some situations does have mild turbo lag) and it "sounds" like a sports sedan.

Fortunately I driven while listening to music, so the car can sound like a lawnmower, I don't care.

VOIP I have and the only reason I didn't consider the G37S 6-speed was because I also drove the 335i with the adaptive suspension and loved that one the best. If I was a budget conscious car shopper however I would have seriously considered the G37S.

Again we are talking leasing here and no way you can get NAV, leather, and everything else the G37S comes with on a 328i without spending at least another 100 dollars per month. Then there is that engine in G37S. 330HP 280lbs torque, come on man are we talking apples to apples here? Now I don't know how the G37S was with the auto but I really liked the 6-speed, a little vague but not bad at all and even if that engine is a little rough sounding on the upper rev range, its one of the best V6s ever believe. Not to mention if you have reliability high on your list the G37S is your ticket.

Then they had these crazy lease deals on the G37x. I mean almost fully loaded for less than 400 dollars per month. No I am sorry, the current 328ix can't even think to approach that price. So for budget conscious people that appreciate performance and reliability with a fair amount of luxury its hard to beat the current Infiniti deals.

Fair enough. Budget was not a huge concern for me. Deals on G37x are good because the platform is about to be replaced.

Originally Posted by voip-ninja

Fair enough. Budget was not a huge concern for me. Deals on G37x are good because the platform is about to be replaced.

Budget wasn't a concern for me either that is why I went with the newer platform and more refined car. But tell you what we have been talking about the ATS catching up to BMW in another thread. Watch out if Infiniti follows the same performance and refinement upgrade as they have with the G35S to the G37S with the next G. In such a case it could be one very "sick" sports sedan.

Originally Posted by captainaudio

It appears that the performance difference between the F30 versions of the 328 and 335 is not as great as it was with the E9x versions.

I wonder what is driving this. Perhaps BMW wants to push acceptance of the 4-banger, so it is keeping the power of the 335i low and it is making it very hard to find them. The boost level of the 335i can be easily pushed higher to crank out 350+Hp. Perhaps they have to undo 15+ years of brainwashing that has made fans and magazine "reviewers" piss on Audi's 4-banger turbos as being out of place on entry level luxury cars, or $X cars, or whatever. But now that they have taken the same path, the one their fans used to piss on constantly, they kind of need to re-brainwash them to now embrace the piss-stained 4-banger turbos It's all too hilarious.

Originally Posted by windsor027

VOIP I have and the only reason I didn't consider the G37S 6-speed was because I also drove the 335i with the adaptive suspension and loved that one the best.

I have looked at the G37 6-speed since it has been selling with huge discounts for the last couple of years. Discounts so large that you can get the car for $35-36K! But 25mpg highway? I later found out it is partly because of a very close ratio gear box.

Originally Posted by voip-ninja

offers comparable acceleration

The only aspect of your post that is NOT accurate.

In my wife's G37 I smoked a 335. Of course it's nose heaviness leaves a lot to be desired but flat-out acceleration is its strong point.

Originally Posted by pony_trekker

The only aspect of your post that is NOT accurate.

In my wife's G37 I smoked a 335. Of course it's nose heaviness leaves a lot to be desired but flat-out acceleration is its strong point.

I had an '08 G37S 6-speed and it's probably a little slower in a straight line vs. an N55 335i. A G37 would have a hard time "smoking" an N20 powered 328i.

Not doubting your experience pony_trekker, just point out that the difference between these cars aren't too remarkably different in the grand scheme of things.

Originally Posted by pony_trekker

The only aspect of your post that is NOT accurate.

In my wife's G37 I smoked a 335. Of course it's nose heaviness leaves a lot to be desired but flat-out acceleration is its strong point.

Was the 335i broken?

Seriously though. The G37 and the 328i are really really close. G37 1/4 mile time is about 13.8 seconds and 328i is about 14.1. I would imagine 335i can close the gap pretty well.

.3 seconds in the 1/4 mile is a "bit" quicker, but "smoking" faster? No. As I said, acceleration between the cars is COMPARABLE. Both are just under 6.0 0-60.

Originally Posted by voip-ninja

Was the 335i broken?

Seriously though. The G37 and the 328i are really really close. G37 1/4 mile time is about 13.8 seconds and 328i is about 14.1. I would imagine 335i can close the gap pretty well.

.3 seconds in the 1/4 mile is a "bit" quicker, but "smoking" faster? No. As I said, acceleration between the cars is COMPARABLE. Both are just under 6.0 0-60.

I don't know about 0-60 times but 328 has to work so much harder to get the same acceleration as 335. 335 is actually dumbed down so it won't compete with M3 but 328 is what, 18PSI? 328's Turbo won't last past 60-80k, we'all see

Originally Posted by panerai7

I don't know about 0-60 times but 328 has to work so much harder to get the same acceleration as 335. 335 is actually dumbed down so it won't compete with M3 but 328 is what, 18PSI? 328's Turbo won't last past 60-80k, we'all see

I try not to bash people with the dummy stick but what you just posted is patently ridiculous. The 3 series is the #1 seller for bmw in north america. They sell over 20,000 a year and probably 90% are 328i. Not to mention that they will likely sell at least that many in europe where they will get driven much harder than they do here.

You really think bmw is stupid Enough to build an engine that will start to fail 4-6 years down the line? Audi had a misdiagnosed "acceleration" problem and it nearly destroyed the brand.

Originally Posted by voip-ninja

I try not to bash people with the dummy stick but what you just posted is patently ridiculous. The 3 series is the #1 seller for bmw in north america. They sell over 20,000 a year and probably 90% are 328i. Not to mention that they will likely sell at least that many in europe where they will get driven much harder than they do here.

You really think bmw is stupid Enough to build an engine that will start to fail 4-6 years down the line? Audi had a misdiagnosed "acceleration" problem and it nearly destroyed the brand.

I said if you drive F30 328 hard, the twin scroll turbo part not the engine will start failing because of a high 18.9PSI boost.
I'm sticking with my prediction and we'll see in a few years

We will see. My 1.8T with much older/crappier turbo is getting over 15 psi of boost since day one with APR chip-tuning and it's holding up fine. Plenty of people with chipped Audi turbocharged cars that are well over 7-10 years old handling that amount of boost without issue. I think you underestimate the work that BMW engineering does.

Perhaps the F30 335i will be a one model year car like the E90 330i and a new engine will be introduced,

CA

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Originally Posted by captainaudio

Perhaps the F30 335i will be a one model year car like the E90 330i and a new engine will be introduced,

CA

This is my suspicion too, and also would explain the scarcity of 335i build slots. I suspect bmw is using up the parts and will offer a 340i, etc, next year with a more pronounced step up from 328i performance.

I find the idea the 335i scarcity is some BMW plot to acclimate us to the 4-cylinder engine a bit laughable.

Originally Posted by voip-ninja

This is my suspicion too, and also would explain the scarcity of 335i build slots. I suspect bmw is using up the parts and will offer a 340i, etc, next year with a more pronounced step up from 328i performance.

I find the idea the 335i scarcity is some BMW plot to acclimate us to the 4-cylinder engine a bit laughable.

I agree, I think the 335i will be replaced with a model that will widen the now rather narrow performance gap between the 328 and the 335, I also think that will happen when the coupe and cabrio are released just like there was never a 330i E92 or E93,

CA

Originally Posted by bmw_or_audi

I wonder what is driving this. Perhaps BMW wants to push acceptance of the 4-banger, so it is keeping the power of the 335i low and it is making it very hard to find them. The boost level of the 335i can be easily pushed higher to crank out 350+Hp. Perhaps they have to undo 15+ years of brainwashing that has made fans and magazine "reviewers" piss on Audi's 4-banger turbos as being out of place on entry level luxury cars, or $X cars, or whatever. But now that they have taken the same path, the one their fans used to piss on constantly, they kind of need to re-brainwash them to now embrace the piss-stained 4-banger turbos It's all too hilarious.

Some anger issues here... :-)

Originally Posted by captainaudio

I agree, I think the 335i will be replaced with a model that will widen the now rather narrow performance gap between the 328 and the 335, I also think that will happen when the coupe and cabrio are released just like there was never a 330i E92 or E93,

CA

Good possibility of this happening. Which is cool, because I'm due for another ED in September 2015.

Originally Posted by JustinTJ

Good possibility of this happening. Which is cool, because I'm due for another ED in September 2015.

That is why I love leasing, every 1.5 years in my family we have a new car (wive's X5 lease is up early 2014)). The only think that may be want to buy my car in the end of a lease would be that the new model doesn't offer manual transmission. That will be a day where I would be

Originally Posted by captainaudio

I agree, I think the 335i will be replaced with a model that will widen the now rather narrow performance gap between the 328 and the 335, I also think that will happen when the coupe and cabrio are released just like there was never a 330i E92 or E93,

CA

I don't think BMW will want to get a 335i close to the upcoming M3, unless the M3 is a 450 hp turbo six. I think you'll see a 330 hp 335i, not much more than that.

And isn't it already underrated?

Originally Posted by panerai7

100% agree, I would take G37S over 328i - any day, 0 hesitation

To each is own..... ordered a 328i 2013. The G37x 2012 was a second choice because of price; but the gas mileage was going to be around 20-21 city. Also, the G37x design is somewhat long in the tooth and needs a refresh; which is coming soon.

Hearing from owner that the 328i N20 would be about 25-27 city was big factor and the Sport Seat with lumbar support on both front seats, as an option, was the tipping point for me and my wife. The A4 was third on the list, nice vehicle but not sporty unless you go for the A4 S which is in another class. JD Power IQS survey indicates the Audi have more quality issues than BMW or Infiniti.... But when a BMWer or and Audi goes out of warranty....annual maintenance and repair cost will be much higher than Infiniti

Originally Posted by VLing

The G37x 2012 was a second choice because of price; but the gas mileage was going to be around 20-21 city.

We get 16 city, 24-27 highway.

Originally Posted by pony_trekker

We get 16 city, 24-27 highway.

yea the G37x mph is not stellar by all means. however when you get a $550 for a decent optioned lease on a 328ix and around $440 for a fully loaded G37x you do the math who is saving money. So bash the G37x all you want on every other category but don't come in here and say but the 328i is more economical on gas....LOL

Originally Posted by windsor027

yea the G37x mph is not stellar by all means. however when you get a $550 for a decent optioned lease on a 328ix and around $440 for a fully loaded G37x you do the math who is saving money. So bash the G37x all you want on every other category but don't come in here and say but the 328i is more economical on gas....LOL

397 for a G37x with premium, nav, no cap cost reduction, only tax down.