Formula 1 2012 Season <<<SPOILER>>>

Originally Posted by franka

Chatch the film clip in this link......http://plus.autosport.com/premium/fe...magic-bullitt/

What's this have to do with F1, Frank?

Originally Posted by berford

What's this have to do with F1, Frank?

Excuse me sir if its not pure F1. Folks have been chatting about minimal use of this thread, so here go. You can always delete or turn it off or commit suicide if offended.

Dear Bedford,

This should meet your requirements... http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101147

Originally Posted by franka

Dear Bedford,

This should meet your requirements... http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101147

For sure.

But what is allowable with the second move, Charlie?

But what is allowable with the second move, Charlie?[/QUOTE]


GET YOUR NEWS HERE.... You should be on top of this if you are a die hard fan

Go Red Bull..... They have been my favorite team after spending years listening the McLaren's promise to do better year and then next year. Those that have watch F! for many years should know what I'm saying. Lots of promises for 'next' year.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101150

These where in Denni's days for you who knew F1 in that time frame. Lots'a of talk year after year.

Originally Posted by franka

Go Red Bull..... They have been my favorite team after spending years listening the McLaren's promise to do better year and then next year. Those that have watch F! for many years should know what I'm saying. Lots of promises for 'next' year.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101150

These where in Denni's days for you who knew F1 in that time frame. Lots'a of talk year after year.

I have no love lost for McLaren (the evil empire) but one thing I will say for them: I respect them, because like Ferrari, Williams and Sauber, they exist merely for racing. Redbull Racing may be on top now, but one day, just like all sponsors, they will decide they've gotten what they need out of F1, and move on. Meanwhile, as long as there is an F1 Championship, McLaren, along with Ferrari , Williams and Sauber will still be there.

Originally Posted by jonathan2263

I have no love lost for McLaren (the evil empire) but one thing I will say for them: I respect them, because like Ferrari, Williams and Sauber, they exist merely for racing. Redbull Racing may be on top now, but one day, just like all sponsors, they will decide they've gotten what they need out of F1, and move on. Meanwhile, as long as there is an F1 Championship, McLaren, along with Ferrari , Williams and Sauber will still be there.

And all the time I thought Ferrari was the evil empire. Still think so.

Originally Posted by berford

And all the time I thought Ferrari was the evil empire. Still think so.

How can Ferrari be the Evil Empire when McLaren works at The Death Star?

Originally Posted by jonathan2263

How can Ferrari be the Evil Empire when McLaren works at The Death Star?

I have no idea what that means.

Here is a link about 1 of 4 venues that are being considered for the London race.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101255

Originally Posted by berford

I have no idea what that means.

I saw an article a few years ago that referred to the McLaren Technology Center as The Death Star. That makes them The Evil Empire, no ?

Originally Posted by franka

Here is a link about 1 of 4 venues that are being considered for the London race.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101255

I'm betting it ends up a football stadium, not an F1 track.

Originally Posted by jonathan2263

I saw an article a few years ago that referred to the McLaren Technology Center as The Death Star. That makes them The Evil Empire, no ?

One silly reference does not an evil empire make. If you have read past forums here and elsewhere in the F1 world I think you'll find a lot more people are convinced that the red car team is the truly evil one.

Oh yeah, it's always the next race......on and on

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101268

Originally Posted by berford

One silly reference does not an evil empire make. If you have read past forums here and elsewhere in the F1 world I think you'll find a lot more people are convinced that the red car team is the truly evil one.

LALALALALALALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU BLAHBLAHBLAHBLAH.......

Uh oh, RBR currently under investigation before the start of the German GP for illegal engine mapping. Looks like we may have a new contender for the title "evil empire".
Personally, I'd like to see Alonso beat Vettel in a fair fight today, but if the Bulls take a penalty, I'm good with that too.

So Alonso beat both Vettel and Button in a straight up fight. Not bad for a guy in the fourth fastest car on the grid. It's a good thing the lotus' don't qualify well because they'd be trouble if they did .

I think the penalty on Vettel was a bit harsh. Dropping him behind Button would have been fair, but I guess the 20 second penalty was the precedent.

There's going to be a meeting tomorrow where they will probably "clarify" the engine mapping rule. I wonder if that will spell the end of RBR dominance? Apparently, they've been coming on strong since they started using it, but it seems to be clearly against the rules.

So, another tight, exciting race, and another chance to watch a master at work. It's a huge difference from Australia, and now with a commanding lead, I believe.

Summer break...40 point lead...where's all the Vettel fans? It's been awfully quiet around these parts lately.
Looks to me like Hamilton is the biggest threat for the second half. Redbull doesn't seem to have the speed or consistency, and I think the Lotus' are just too far back.

Originally Posted by jonathan2263

Summer break...40 point lead...where's all the Vettel fans? It's been awfully quiet around these parts lately.
Looks to me like Hamilton is the biggest threat for the second half. Redbull doesn't seem to have the speed or consistency, and I think the Lotus' are just too far back.

Well, now that FIA seems to have finally figured out why RB has been so dominant for the last 2 1/2 years, they're apparently reluctant to continue to cheat at the moment. I'd argue that they should relinquish their championships.

No doubt, Vettel is a good driver...but I've contended all along that he's not a great driver...despite all his points. He's all car, and if FIA looks closely at RB (as they should), I think they'll find that the car/team is tainted by lack of adherence to the regs. And now that he isn't winning every race, he's acting like such a cry baby.

Originally Posted by berford

Well, now that FIA seems to have finally figured out why RB has been so dominant for the last 2 1/2 years, they're apparently reluctant to continue to cheat at the moment. I'd argue that they should relinquish their championships.

No doubt, Vettel is a good driver...but I've contended all along that he's not a great driver...despite all his points. He's all car, and if FIA looks closely at RB (as they should), I think they'll find that the car/team is tainted by lack of adherence to the regs. And now that he isn't winning every race, he's acting like such a cry baby.

Christian Horner said something I agree with to the affect of " there is no rule regarding the spirit of the rules. There is only what the rules actually say." I agree with this. It is every teams job, if they want to win, to exploit every loophole they can. The engine mapping fits this situation; even though the teams had agreed not to, RBR found a way to exploit the wording of the rule. Immoral maybe; illegal no. It's the same as Renault's Mass Damper in 03 and ferrari's flexi floor in 08; they found a loophole and forced the FiA to " clarify" the rule.
Adjusting the ride height is a different situation. There is a very specific rule regarding not being allowed to change the ride height once the car is in parc ferme (start of qualifying). If they were indeed doing that, it's not creatively interpreting the rules, it's just plain cheating.

On the coverage of the German GP, Steve Matchett said he thought RBR might have changed their engine map before the race to avoid any suggestion of impropriety. Wouldn't that have been a violation of parc ferme regulations?

One thing is for certain, whether because they're being watched closely, or the other teams have caught up, RBR is not having it their way this year. I would agree that Vettel is a better than average driver who has been flattered by an excellent car. Similar to Damon Hill and Jaques Villeneuve.

I would think that of all the current drivers, only Alonso and Schumi in his prime could be where Alonso is with the F2012.

Originally Posted by berford

Well, now that FIA seems to have finally figured out why RB has been so dominant for the last 2 1/2 years, they're apparently reluctant to continue to cheat at the moment. I'd argue that they should relinquish their championships.

No doubt, Vettel is a good driver...but I've contended all along that he's not a great driver...despite all his points. He's all car, and if FIA looks closely at RB (as they should), I think they'll find that the car/team is tainted by lack of adherence to the regs. And now that he isn't winning every race, he's acting like such a cry baby.

That's BS thru and thru

More on Schumi FUs......he did it last week and again this weekend....

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/101635

Originally Posted by jonathan2263

Christian Horner said something I agree with to the affect of " there is no rule regarding the spirit of the rules. There is only what the rules actually say." I agree with this. It is every teams job, if they want to win, to exploit every loophole they can. The engine mapping fits this situation; even though the teams had agreed not to, RBR found a way to exploit the wording of the rule. Immoral maybe; illegal no. It's the same as Renault's Mass Damper in 03 and ferrari's flexi floor in 08; they found a loophole and forced the FiA to " clarify" the rule.
Adjusting the ride height is a different situation. There is a very specific rule regarding not being allowed to change the ride height once the car is in parc ferme (start of qualifying). If they were indeed doing that, it's not creatively interpreting the rules, it's just plain cheating.

On the coverage of the German GP, Steve Matchett said he thought RBR might have changed their engine map before the race to avoid any suggestion of impropriety. Wouldn't that have been a violation of parc ferme regulations?

One thing is for certain, whether because they're being watched closely, or the other teams have caught up, RBR is not having it their way this year. I would agree that Vettel is a better than average driver who has been flattered by an excellent car. Similar to Damon Hill and Jaques Villeneuve.

I would think that of all the current drivers, only Alonso and Schumi in his prime could be where Alonso is with the F2012.

Agreed +1

Originally Posted by franka

That's BS thru and thru

Back at ya, Frank.