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Old 08-05-2012, 03:34 AM
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Price on a 2012 528i

Hi Guys,

This is my first time on this forum. I am looking at leasing a 2012 528i and would love your feedback to make an informed decision. Although I would love to get my hands on a 535i the payments are getting too high. My comfort zone is around $550 - 650 with $1200 down.

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2012 528i
Cold Weather Package
Premium Package
Technology Package
Black on Black
MSRP around $53500
Dealer Price $48000
Payment $660 including tax

I know there is a $3500 option discount being offered by BMW, plus I also have the 2012 Olympic Drive Incentive of $1000.

Thanks in advance for your input on this....

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Old 08-05-2012, 01:28 PM
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don't do it. get a 535.
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Old 08-05-2012, 08:51 PM
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don't do it. get a 535.
Agree with you there, went and test drove both and 535 definately feels like the car I want to go with.. Thank you for your input...
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Old 08-05-2012, 09:19 PM
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don't do it. get a 535.

These kind of posts annoy me....
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Old 08-05-2012, 10:29 PM
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These kind of posts annoy me....
Would like you get your input on what you think?
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Old 08-05-2012, 11:21 PM
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Would like you get your input on what you think?
What's your basis on your advice? Do you think the 528i is under powered? Is the infamous sound at idle that annoys you? Is it the inconceivable notion that BMW would dare put a 4 cylinder motor in the illustrious 5 series?

Anyway, to the OP here is my advice that is subjective, and not mere speculation....

Understanding that your limited on budget, I believe the car you selected is going to make you happy. Assuming you test drove the 528i, it has more than enough torque, and that engine is very well designed. In my opinion, it's more of a mental thing with the car having a 4 cylinder. If that doesn't bother you, then that's all that matters. I could care less, as long as the the car has a smooth linear acceleration.

Now, if your a performance nut, and want more power, then that's a different story. Personally, the 535i needs to be mated with the damper suspension. It just really completes the package. Straight line acceleration alone isn't enough if your car is swaying left and right like Noah's Ark. But this all depends on what you want out of the car.

I'll give you my picked car, and maybe this will help you. I already have a sports car, so I could care less about speed, especially in a tank like the 5 series. For everyday driving, the 528i is just fine. But in my opinion, I thought stock suspension was way to soft, so I opted for the M Sport pkg with damper suspension. (Also LOVE the M Sport look). I just like a more firm suspension, just personal preference.

Again, it just depends on what's your priorities. How important is the added HP of the 535i to you? But get the car you want. Life is short, and it would suck driving a car you regret buying....

Quick info on other incentives:

$760 - Loyalty cash (if you own a BMW)
$500 - Connected Drive event App. D/l app, check in, and redeem coupon at dealer.
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Old 08-06-2012, 03:01 PM
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What's your basis on your advice? Do you think the 528i is under powered? Is the infamous sound at idle that annoys you? Is it the inconceivable notion that BMW would dare put a 4 cylinder motor in the illustrious 5 series?

Anyway, to the OP here is my advice that is subjective, and not mere speculation....

Understanding that your limited on budget, I believe the car you selected is going to make you happy. Assuming you test drove the 528i, it has more than enough torque, and that engine is very well designed. In my opinion, it's more of a mental thing with the car having a 4 cylinder. If that doesn't bother you, then that's all that matters. I could care less, as long as the the car has a smooth linear acceleration.

Now, if your a performance nut, and want more power, then that's a different story. Personally, the 535i needs to be mated with the damper suspension. It just really completes the package. Straight line acceleration alone isn't enough if your car is swaying left and right like Noah's Ark. But this all depends on what you want out of the car.

I'll give you my picked car, and maybe this will help you. I already have a sports car, so I could care less about speed, especially in a tank like the 5 series. For everyday driving, the 528i is just fine. But in my opinion, I thought stock suspension was way to soft, so I opted for the M Sport pkg with damper suspension. (Also LOVE the M Sport look). I just like a more firm suspension, just personal preference.

Again, it just depends on what's your priorities. How important is the added HP of the 535i to you? But get the car you want. Life is short, and it would suck driving a car you regret buying....

Quick info on other incentives:

$760 - Loyalty cash (if you own a BMW)
$500 - Connected Drive event App. D/l app, check in, and redeem coupon at dealer.
Thank you for your valuable feedback. Although you are right about the 528 having adequate torque, after driving both, the engine in the 528 felt not quite as refined as the 535i. I felt the 535i to be smoother and quiter than the 528. Sometimes with cars and motorcycles even though things may look great on paper, one's perception wins out in the end.
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Old 08-06-2012, 05:55 PM
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These kind of posts annoy me....
You need to relax
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Old 08-06-2012, 05:57 PM
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Thank you for your valuable feedback. Although you are right about the 528 having adequate torque, after driving both, the engine in the 528 felt not quite as refined as the 535i. I felt the 535i to be smoother and quiter than the 528. Sometimes with cars and motorcycles even though things may look great on paper, one's perception wins out in the end.
Yeah dude, good call. 535 has more juice. Just shop around, you can get a heck of a deal on a '12 right now. Post pics once you bring her home. All the best!
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Old 08-06-2012, 07:10 PM
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I am curios about the suspension comment...

Skyhawk - did you drive the 528 and 535 set up the same way? (performance wise)

I agree with the choice, I never drove the 535 but can not imagine a tank like the 5, being pushed with only 240 HP.

Also remember, you can do a 2013 535i ED for almost the same price (and exactly the options you want) as you can for a 2012. Just a thought.
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Old 08-06-2012, 07:26 PM
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I am curios about the suspension comment...

Skyhawk - did you drive the 528 and 535 set up the same way? (performance wise)

I agree with the choice, I never drove the 535 but can not imagine a tank like the 5, being pushed with only 240 HP.

Also remember, you can do a 2013 535i ED for almost the same price (and exactly the options you want) as you can for a 2012. Just a thought.
The 535 had the 19 inch wheels and the suspension damping option. The 528 was not slow but did not feel as refined as the 535.

Getting a payment around $750 with min down around $1200 i.e. on the 535xi and $695 for the 528xi
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Old 08-06-2012, 07:28 PM
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What options on the 535ix? Seems a little high.

You should post the details of your deal. Might be able to save you a little money and help you negotiate.
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Old 08-06-2012, 08:05 PM
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Don't EVER focus on payment.

Focus on what you are paying for the car, and what interest rate you're paying, as well as what you're getting for any trade, etc. Those are all separate items with separate negotiations.
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Old 08-06-2012, 09:31 PM
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I am curios about the suspension comment...

Skyhawk - did you drive the 528 and 535 set up the same way? (performance wise)

I agree with the choice, I never drove the 535 but can not imagine a tank like the 5, being pushed with only 240 HP.

Also remember, you can do a 2013 535i ED for almost the same price (and exactly the options you want) as you can for a 2012. Just a thought.
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The 528 does 0-60 in 5.9s and is much faster than a 525 or 530 from just a few years ago. In fact it may be quicker than any naturally-aspirated I6 BMW 5 series ever sold in North America (or for that matter pretty much any FWD sedan). Of course there are always faster cars, but for most people I think they'll find its performance more than adequate.
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Old 08-06-2012, 11:45 PM
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What options on the 535ix? Seems a little high.

You should post the details of your deal. Might be able to save you a little money and help you negotiate.
Thanks! The 535xi comes with Premium, Cold Weather Package and Navigation (no backup Camera). I have an additional Olympic Drive Credit of $1000. There is also a $3500 BMW Option credit factored in.
MSRP - $61,895
Additional Dealer discount $3000
Dealer wants $1500 over invoice
Payment $750+
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Old 08-06-2012, 11:55 PM
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Don't EVER focus on payment.

Focus on what you are paying for the car, and what interest rate you're paying, as well as what you're getting for any trade, etc. Those are all separate items with separate negotiations.
Will keep that in mind. I will email the dealer to get the specifics and get back. Thanks guys! Much Appreciated!
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Old 08-07-2012, 01:33 AM
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Thanks! The 535xi comes with Premium, Cold Weather Package and Navigation (no backup Camera). I have an additional Olympic Drive Credit of $1000. There is also a $3500 BMW Option credit factored in.
MSRP - $61,895
Additional Dealer discount $3000
Dealer wants $1500 over invoice
Payment $750+
I don't think that is a good deal.

I got my 535i Prem,Navi,Backup Camera,rear blinds, etc.
MSRP $58000
Before tax out the door price was $49000
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Thanks! The 535xi comes with Premium, Cold Weather Package and Navigation (no backup Camera). I have an additional Olympic Drive Credit of $1000. There is also a $3500 BMW Option credit factored in.
MSRP - $61,895
Additional Dealer discount $3000
Dealer wants $1500 over invoice
Payment $750+
That's a pretty poor deal. You should be able to get $500 over invoice no problem.
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The 528 does 0-60 in 5.9s and is much faster than a 525 or 530 from just a few years ago. In fact it may be quicker than any naturally-aspirated I6 BMW 5 series ever sold in North America (or for that matter pretty much any FWD sedan). Of course there are always faster cars, but for most people I think they'll find its performance more than adequate.
That's great, if it were say 2006 - but its not :-) I am talking 2012 vs 2012

I think those numbers are a little skewed in the 0-60 times, especially when you look at the 1/4 mile times. 20% more power with similar curb weights... hmmm
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Old 08-07-2012, 12:54 PM
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That's great, if it were say 2006 - but its not :-) I am talking 2012 vs 2012

I think those numbers are a little skewed in the 0-60 times, especially when you look at the 1/4 mile times. 20% more power with similar curb weights... hmmm
Based on specs the 0-60 times may seem a bit suspicious. However the curb weights are not that similar (535 is about 250lbs heavier) and most dyno analysis have shown the n20 is more 'underrated' than other engines. See:

http://www.automobilemag.com/feature..._dyno_results/

The nice thing about it being 2012 is that other technological advances (e.g. 8-speed transmission, fast shift times, torque from turbo with little to no lag) have made it possible to have smaller engines that are fast, quiet, and reasonably fuel efficient.
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The nice thing about it being 2012 is that other technological advances (e.g. 8-speed transmission, fast shift times, torque from turbo with little to no lag) have made it possible to have smaller engines that are fast, quiet, and reasonably fuel efficient.
This is a wash, since those things have also moved to the 535I
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That's a pretty poor deal. You should be able to get $500 over invoice no problem.
Agree - I got $900 over invoice negotiated back in May, dealer didnt even blink. This late in the model year with 2013s litteraly rolling in, $500 over should be very doable. $1500 is crazy IMHO.
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Thanks for all the great advice.

A quick question. Should I be dedcuting the BMW option Allowance of $3500 and $1000 Olympic Drive allowance from the Invoice then add back dealer margin or deduct this from the MSRP?
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Correct. Invoice - Deductions = Real Cost

Real Cost + Dealer Profit = What you pay

If its a lease there is also Aq Fee ($725) and Money Factor (.00145 at last check) to consider. Dealers also mark those up so make sure you are aware of all the fine print and details

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No

I drove a 2012 528i x-drive for work and I was sorely disappointed.

There was no clear way of how to force the car to stay in eco-mode without having to manually put it in it each time I started it.

The in-car computer system kept randomly switching to German.

There was no clear way of how to stop the fuel conserving engine kill at intersections, while it usually was started back up by the time my foot was off the brake a couple of times it stuttered, not acceptable for a brand new $50k+ car.

Leather is not standard, leatherette is.

The turn signal and wiper blades are both way more complicated than they need to be. Granted I never took the time to figure out why sometimes they would stay on longer than necessary and other times they would partially turn on and then off, but I am not a fan of over complicating simple car features.

I don't know if it's standard for the 528i, but the one I had used a 4 cylinder, which sounded pretty lame.

The car will jerk to a screeching halt if the door is slightly ajar when backing up, again no clear way of how to turn this off.

The gas tank can be opened entirely from the outside without the driver hitting a lever, making you a target for fuel theft.
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