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X3 F25 (2011 - current)
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Old 08-07-2012, 08:21 PM
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Talking Need advice on pulling the trigger on this

Hello everyone,

I fell in love with the car below and know nothing about X3s and very little about BMW in general.

Very clean at a local dealer 2.8i with 3000 miles with features below.

Alpine white with chestnut interior

2011 model

dealer wants $43,998

Is this a fair price? Anything I should be on the look out for? What should I offer when negotiation? Do I need extended warranty? Any knows complaints with this model and model year?

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Old 08-07-2012, 10:40 PM
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For perhaps just slightly over $45000 (including destination and handling) you could buy a brand new 2013 28i with the same feature set as the 2011 model that you are considering. Some of the listed features are standard, but it looks like the build includes these options:
ZVW (cold weather package #1)
ZPP (premium package)
ZTP (technology package)
3AT (roof rails)
522 (xenon headlights)
6NR (BMW Apps).
By my quick calculation, if you ordered that configuration new it would come to $48145 MSRP, including $895 destination/handling. Based on what others here have found, you might be able to order a new vehicle just like this one for around 6% below MSRP (invoice price is about 91% of MSRP).

For the first 4 years (or 50000 miles) BMW covers all maintenance at no charge. If you keep the car beyond that period, an extended warranty might be worth considering. But you can add an extended warranty after your purchase, so there's no need to rush that decision. e.g., You can buy the BMW warranty from any BMW dealer, so you could shop for a better price.

The 2013 X3 28i differs from the 2011 model in a few very minor respects, but the most significant difference is the engine. The 2011 had a 3L 6-cyl engine, whereas the 2013 uses a twin power turbo 4-cyl. The newer engine has better fuel economy, and better torque, but it doesn't purr as sweetly as the 6-cyl. Go to BMW's USA site to learn more about the X3's standard features and options. To check my calculations, try the tool to build a version with the options on the dealer's vehicle. Of course, you then might prefer a build with a different selection of features!

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Old 08-07-2012, 10:51 PM
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Great info here my friend. Thanks a million. You really gave me a great direction.
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For perhaps just slightly over $45000 (including destination and handling) you could buy a brand new 2013 28i with the same feature set as the 2011 model that you are considering. Some of the listed features are standard, but it looks like the build includes these options:
ZVW (cold weather package #1)
ZPP (premium package)
ZTP (technology package)
3AT (roof rails)
522 (xenon headlights)
6NR (BMW Apps).
By my quick calculation, if you ordered that configuration new it would come to $48145 MSRP, including $895 destination/handling. Based on what others here have found, you might be able to order a new vehicle just like this one for around 6% below MSRP (invoice price is about 91% of MSRP).

For the first 4 years (or 50000 miles) BMW covers all maintenance at no charge. If you keep the car beyond that period, an extended warranty might be worth considering. But you can add an extended warranty after your purchase, so there's no need to rush that decision. e.g., You can buy the BMW warranty from any BMW dealer, so you could shop for a better price.

The 2013 X3 28i differs from the 2011 model in a few very minor respects, but the most significant difference is the engine. The 2011 had a 3L 6-cyl engine, whereas the 2013 uses a twin power turbo 4-cyl. The newer engine has better fuel economy, and better torque, but it doesn't purr as sweetly as the 6-cyl. Go to BMW's USA site to learn more about the X3's standard features and options. To check my calculations, try the tool to build a version with the options on the dealer's vehicle. Of course, you then might prefer a build with a different selection of features!
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Old 08-08-2012, 12:09 AM
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Anyone else wants to add their two cents?
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Old 08-08-2012, 05:38 AM
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The differences with the engine is obvious, but depending in the country the ECO Pro and Start/Stop features might be absent as well.

You should also consider the value of the service/warranty would be reduced by 1 year. As well the car depreciation. The vehicle was revamped and released for the first time in 2011. So there can be some bugs besides the steering issue that you might encounter.

I believe with the depreciation, warranty, service and slightly fewer features the price difference should be greater than buying new. Consider renegotiating or simply order a brand new customized vehicle.

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Old 08-08-2012, 06:02 AM
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Consumers reports mentioned that the new 4 cyl only achieved 1 MPG on average better than the 6 cyl. I would rather have the 6 cyl. Turbos get too hot and more likely to have problems with it. It is quite a heavy SUV as well. They also mentioned that the engine wasn't refined as the 6 cyl and sends a shutter through the auto when it starts again after it shuts down at a stop light. I am happy that I bought the 2012 2.8.
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Old 08-08-2012, 06:54 AM
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There is nothing basically wrong with buying the 2011 if it meets your needs, but the price needs to be much lower. The dealer where I ordered my 2013 X3 (PCD next week!) has a similar 2011 X3 on the floor with a price around the same. I don't know exactly the price or the options but as I was looking at it my CA said that he told the sales manager the price needed to start with a "3" but the mgr argued that it was new and had "never been titled". I guess these were loaner cars or something, I don't know. If someone at the dealership had been driving it you would expect more miles after a year or two. I don't know when the 2012 X3 came out but the 2013 came out a few months ago. Despite being like new, a 2011 is still 2 model years old. Shoot, that price is probably over the original invoice price for that vehicle! If you get the price down a few thousand, it might be a reasonable deal if you plan to drive it for a long time. If you trade cars frequently, you will lose when you try to sell a 2011. The buyer won't care in 2014 that you think the car is 2 years old; he will think it is 4 years.
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Old 08-08-2012, 07:43 AM
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I would order a new one for that price. Folks get about 6% off msrp, or 500 over invoice if ordered through forum sponsor. Other incentives can apply as well. Research here. That 2011 model is now over 2 yrs old.

And the new 4 cyil engine gets 30 mpg hwy.

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Old 08-08-2012, 07:55 AM
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"The buyer won't care in 2014 that you think the car is 2 years old; he will think it is 4 years."

This is the wall I keep running into as the dealers are very successful at getting a premium price on the 2011. Two additional pluses to the 2013 would be later model run flats and cheaper loan/lease rates which combined with incentive money and deeper discounts point toward 2013 models.
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Old 08-08-2012, 10:19 AM
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I would agree that the mileage isn't a selling point. But, the new 2013 engine is so much better! I waited for it and am very happy I did. The throttle lag on the older vehicle was a no deal for me.
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Old 08-08-2012, 02:31 PM
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I thinlk you can get a better deal for a new one unless they bring down the price appropriately.
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Old 08-09-2012, 07:42 AM
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I would agree that the mileage isn't a selling point. But, the new 2013 engine is so much better! I waited for it and am very happy I did. The throttle lag on the older vehicle was a no deal for me.
The throttle lag can be fix with a computer flash. There is a TSB for the fix and a lot of people have already had their X3's fixed. As to which engine is better their still seems to be a lot of debate about that going around. Some people prefer the sound and smoothness of the inline six over the new turbo 4. The turbo 4 get better MPG and is a little faster.

But like the most posters I think the price is too high for a used 2011. If you could get them to drop it down to $40,000 it might be worth it.
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Old 08-09-2012, 09:14 AM
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Hello everyone,

I fell in love with the car below and know nothing about X3s and very little about BMW in general.

Very clean at a local dealer 2.8i with 3000 miles with features below.

Alpine white with chestnut interior

2011 model

dealer wants $43,998

Is this a fair price? Anything I should be on the look out for? What should I offer when negotiation? Do I need extended warranty? Any knows complaints with this model and model year?

THANK YOU ALL!


Navigation... BMW Apps.... Xenon headlights...
0ZPP Premium Package
0ZTP Technology Package
01CD Brake Energy Regeneration
0216 Servotronic
0248 Heated Steering Wheel
0249 Multi-function steering wheel
02AM 17" Alloy Streamline Wheels
02VB Tire pressure monitor
0302 Anti-theft alarm system
0316 Power tailgate
03AT Roof rails in Aluminum Satin
0420 Privacy glass
0459 Power front seats
0465 Rear seat backrest w/ 40:20:40
0494 Heated front seats
04AD Brushed Aluminum trim
0521 Rain sensor and auto headlight
0522 Xenon headlights
0524 Adaptive light control
0534 Automatic climate control
0544 Dynamic Cruise Control
0639 BMW Assist with Bluetooth
0676 Hi-fi sound system
0693 Satellite radio preparation
06AA BMW TeleServices
06NF Smartphone Integration
06NR BMW Apps
06VC Combox controller
08TN Daytime driving lights
KBB price for a your car new is
MSRP $47,450
Fair Purchase Price $43,554
Dealer Invoice $43,625

Since your car has 3000 miles on it I dont care what the dealer calles it I would call it used.

KBB would value the car at the following price as a Certified Pre-Owned
Suggested Retail Private Party
Excellent
$41,549

Hope this helps

BTW if the car was a service loaner who know how hare people beat on it? I am sure that it was not broken in according to BMW's recommended break-in process. I would not buy this car for any more then 39,900.
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Old 08-09-2012, 09:20 AM
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Oh im not 100% sure about BMW but all Certified Pre-Owned Audi come wit a 100,000 mile warranty. For the new BMW I'm buying my dealer wants $3000 for my warranty to be extended to 100,000 miles. If you buy this car it would be in your interest to only purchase the car as certified preowned. I also think BMW is offering 1.9% financing on certified preowned vehicles that's better than their financing for new cars which is at 3.79% I think.
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Old 08-09-2012, 09:29 AM
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Bank of America web site application is very quick and last November they quoted me 2.5%. Well worth a shot. Along with the emailed rate quote they provided a contact person who was super helpful. She said I could buy the car and get the loan later. I would also check with a credit union as well. I like BMW Financial and would stay with them if the rate is close. Always have the best rate figured before visiting the dealership. I even like not to finance at the dealer because it is one more complicated number game to track.
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Old 08-10-2012, 08:27 AM
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Thank you everyone for wealth of information.

I got the car and living the dream! Paid 41.5 and a free iPhone adapter

Here she is!!!



Do all 2011 have this low speed hesitation problem and require update? Mine doesn't have the sports mode.
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Old 08-10-2012, 09:17 AM
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Congrats on the new wheels.

The throttle lag/ hesitation has been fixed by a TSB.

Do a quick search the TSB number is noted in the forum some place.

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Do all 2011 have this low speed hesitation problem and require update? Mine doesn't have the sports mode.
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