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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki |
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Check Engine Light
I wish that there could be in Giant Letters near the top of the forum where it's plain for all to see ,,when asking questions about check engine lights-- have the codes read before posting here (or elsewhere) what thier check engine light is about--- how many different
codes are there for the BMW__a few hundred Last edited by poolman; 10-30-2011 at 10:32 AM. |
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Depends on the model.
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So, Poolman what do you think can cause my engine light ON?
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We can probably assume that those that ask either don't have a GOOGLE search box in their browser (or didn't think about it)...nor have they ever typed "BMW OBD II Codes" in an internet search. If they had, I have no doubt they'd see a link to a site that lists ALL of the OBD II codes...and even breaks down some by car mfg. Doing a google search for OBD II codes usually puts the link to that site near the top.
Those same people (some, not all) probably have not taken the time to educate themselves as to what the CEL/SES warning light actually means...nor that OBD II codes are basically "universal" emission system codes that all car MFGs had to comply with (here in the states) starting in 1996...and later in some other countries around the world. Some forget that just about all the information in the world is right at their fingertips (the internet/the world wide web/etc)...and just default to being spoon fed information from those that the trust here on the forum. ![]() ![]() ![]()
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I agree we SHOULD have 'something', as Poolman suggests, to POINT people to who do ask (since they will inevitably ask).
FWIW, for efficiency, I 'had' started, long ago, a cut-and-paste response to the classic "CHECK ENGINE LIGHT" question ... but I never formalized the process. Here is that cut-and-paste response I wrote in post #44 of the bestlinks back in December of last year. It doesn't matter to me 'what' the cut-and-paste response says, per se; what matters is to make it efficient for us to point users to it (somehow). Quote:
EDIT: I just added a link to the bestlinks so we can refer people to THIS thread! - Where to point newbies who ask why their SES/CEL light is on but who don't post codes (1) Last edited by bluebee; 10-30-2011 at 11:00 PM. |
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For the record, I pointed a newbie with two posts here just now who asked:
- yellow check engine light |
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To respond to that specific question above from "Ultraman 68", if the yellow Check Engine Light (CEL) or Service Engine Soon (SES) light is not blinking - then you worry less than if it were blinking.
If it's blinking, that's telling you that an (expensive) emissions component is likely being damaged, even in the short term. If it's not blinking, then there is probably less chance of short term damage. What you should 'worry' about if the SES is lit is: - Something is not working right in your engine - You are probably getting lower gas mileage and/or drive-ability or performance (which could be a safety factor) - You can't pass annual inspection in most states The solution to your problem is the same as described above: a) Get the codes read b) Do the requisite research c) Ask detailed questions only when the research fails |
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Here is what Saint Q offered the OP in the thread mentioned above (which I post here to leverage his answer to the next person who asks):
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There is a good section on the MIL light & OBD codes & drive cycles in this PDF:
- BMW_Engine_Management_Systems_Seimens_MS42.0.pdf |
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Happened again today:
-> E39 (1997 - 2003) > Check Engine Light Quote:
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Note: Your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to add value to those threads, either by pictures or by descriptions, so the next person with the same problem stands on your shoulders. See also: E39 Bestlinks & How to easily find what you need, in seconds! Last edited by bluebee; 08-16-2012 at 11:03 PM. |
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poolman- after all that you forgot to tell us what your codes were.
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I don't know--gotta get a code reader LOL
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Happened again today ...
> E39 (1997 - 2003) > Check engine light after fueling with 93 octane Quote:
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Happened again today (a couple of thread by the same person):
- > E39 (1997 - 2003) > 02 540 service engine light. I need some help Quote:
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To anyone reading this thread to learn more about the check engine light and what it takes to clear it, please see the following references:
- How to identify all BMW computer-specific OBDII DTC diagnostic fault codes (1) & how to better understand the key EPA federal test procedure (FTP) concept of the BMW SES "drive cycle" (1) & how to diagnose a typical BMW E39 engine misfire (1) or a sporadic-temperature-change cold-engine intermittent misfire (1) (2) & what you can expect for E39 smog emissions test results (1) & obtaining the pending or diagnostic trouble code (DTC) using free or freeware scans (1) [except in California or Hawaii (1) (2)] or where to get the cheapest reasonable OBDII scanner in the world (1) (2) or a better overall scanner (1) or the best BMW diagnostic tools (1) (2) (3) & a template of what to tell people from the Republik of Kalifornia who need to do an OBC diagnostic scan (1). Here's a picture of the (now) $20 scan tool I use to read and clear my codes:
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To anyone reading this thread, the codes are NOT universal. They are engine computer specific.
But, a LOT of them overlap. Here, by way of example, are some of the Pcodes for my particular engine computer: bluebee_2002_525i_vehicle_codes_spreadsheet.pdf
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We referred this new poster to this thread today:
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What do we tell people when they tell us their amber SES / CEL is flashing?
In a single-cylinder misfire thread today, someone asked:
And, I gave the simple answer (which is really all I know): Quote:
- What to tell newbies who ask why their SES/CEL light is on but who don't have DTC scan codes (1) Which only says this little bit: ![]() Searching E39-only threads with "flashing" in the title, I find only these three: > E39 (1997 - 2003) > blinking "check engine soon" light > E39 (1997 - 2003) > Blinking CEL 2002 540i I NEED HELP!!!!!! > SES Light Blinking at Wide Open Throttle - Car Sputters. And, running the same E39-only title-only search for "blinking", I find these: > E39 (1997 - 2003) > check engine flashing....... > E39 (1997 - 2003) > Flashing check engine light > E39 (1997 - 2003) > Flashing SES Light - 02 Sensor Heater Circuit/ Cylinder Misfire / Camshaft Actuator > E39 (1997 - 2003) > Rough Idle + Flashing Yellow SES light > E39 (1997 - 2003) > Big hesitation and flashing CEL > E39 (1997 - 2003) > Flashing check engine light???????? Skimming each of those threads, I don't really see any decently detailed explanation of the cause and effects of that flashing light, other than the obvious (catalytic converter damage due to a rich mixture); so, I ask here ... Q: What should we tell someone who asks the question of "is it bad to drive with a blinking SES"?
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