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Old 08-13-2012, 10:59 AM
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Unhappy Starter in 2008 X3

My X3 has been a little sluggish starting. Yesterday, it stopped starting at all! New starter needed - to the tune of about $1400. Only 92,000 miles. Anybody else had this problem? I hoped the high dollar repairs were done at 85,000 miles when I had to have the transfer case replaced ($4000). Do I have a lemon or is this normal on these cars? I've had it since it was brand new. All BMW scheduled maintenance done (plus oil changes in-between those high-mileage maintenance visits).
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Old 08-13-2012, 09:02 PM
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My X3 has been a little sluggish starting. Yesterday, it stopped starting at all! New starter needed - to the tune of about $1400. Only 92,000 miles. Anybody else had this problem? I hoped the high dollar repairs were done at 85,000 miles when I had to have the transfer case replaced ($4000). Do I have a lemon or is this normal on these cars? I've had it since it was brand new. All BMW scheduled maintenance done (plus oil changes in-between those high-mileage maintenance visits).

One of the reasons I am getting rid of my 08 X3 is the high cost of repairs and being left stranded waiting for a flatbed. Curious though. I keep getting offers from BMW dealer and BMWNA to extend my warranty. Maybe you should consider that as they are only $2500.00 max and would have covered both your latest problems.

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Old 08-14-2012, 02:56 AM
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i didn't know bmw still sold warranties to cars out of warranty
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Old 08-14-2012, 06:05 AM
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I'll look into the extended warranty - how long does that $2500 one cover?
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Old 08-14-2012, 11:24 AM
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My starter is sounding weak as well.
07 with 93000.

Any warranty the late in the game is not going to be a BMW warranty.
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Old 08-14-2012, 11:38 AM
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My X3 has been a little sluggish starting. Yesterday, it stopped starting at all! New starter needed - to the tune of about $1400. Only 92,000 miles. Anybody else had this problem? I hoped the high dollar repairs were done at 85,000 miles when I had to have the transfer case replaced ($4000). Do I have a lemon or is this normal on these cars? I've had it since it was brand new. All BMW scheduled maintenance done (plus oil changes in-between those high-mileage maintenance visits).
Did the dealer replace the starter? How come so expensive? The starter on my MDX cost me less than $400
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Old 08-14-2012, 07:41 PM
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i didn't know bmw still sold warranties to cars out of warranty
Neither did I. I think they dont know it as well. I keep throwing them out as I am down to about 30 days before I get rid of it.

Sorry about this, but like I said it's one of the reasons I wont keep the car out of warranty.
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Old 08-14-2012, 07:47 PM
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Yep - dealer replaced the starter. Actually ended up being a little less - $1199 (plus the tow). I didn't know how sluggish it had gotten starting up until today when I started it with the new starter in there. Wow!
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Old 08-14-2012, 08:23 PM
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Did the dealer replace the starter? How come so expensive? The starter on my MDX cost me less than $400
Packaging.

There are some mechanical servicing advantages to that V6 East West layout compared to the inline 6 North South orientation.

The MDX starter motor will likely be easily accessible from above once the battery tray is removed.

I'd guess 1.5 hrs. flat-rate for R&R and $200 for the Denso starter.

For the X3, it's got to be close to the firewall and the front differential and only accessible from below after removing a few other pieces and structural members possibly.

More like 3.5 hrs. I'd say and we know about the cost of German electrical components.
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Old 08-14-2012, 08:38 PM
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Geez that's surprising. I always assumed German cars had stout starters. My X3 has more much mileage and I have been manually Stop-Starting the vehicle at redlights (excess of 30sec stop) for over 3 years when conditions are appropriate.
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Old 08-15-2012, 11:16 AM
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i haven't had any problems with my starter *knock on wood* i'm at 116k miles.

from the TIS, it sounds like the starter is pretty easy to replace from under the car??? o.O

http://tis.spaghetticoder.org/s/view.pl?1/06/06/79

although i don't know what a Pressure accumulator is to remove and couldn't find an article corresponding to it
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Old 08-15-2012, 12:55 PM
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i haven't had any problems with my starter *knock on wood* i'm at 116k miles.

from the TIS, it sounds like the starter is pretty easy to replace from under the car??? o.O

http://tis.spaghetticoder.org/s/view.pl?1/06/06/79

although i don't know what a Pressure accumulator is to remove and couldn't find an article corresponding to it
that is for the X5, albiet it may be very similar.
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Old 08-15-2012, 01:21 PM
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that is for the X5, albiet it may be very similar.
the page redirects from the e83 article tree to that specific article
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Old 08-15-2012, 02:24 PM
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although i don't know what a Pressure accumulator is to remove and couldn't find an article corresponding to it
It may be the vacuum tank for the infamous tail pipe flapper:

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...06&postcount=4

Sounds like 4hrs. or so is the dealer time for this job, and a new starter might be $450, while a reman. one is about 1/2 that.
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Old 08-15-2012, 07:26 PM
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160,000 miles, still the original starter on a 2005 X3 here.

Only electrical gremlin I still haven't traced is my mysterious trio of lights if I've been idling too long. Thankfully, it doesn't happen often.
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Old 08-15-2012, 10:50 PM
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160,000 miles, still the original starter on a 2005 X3 here.
Only 65K miles (104K km.) and don't expect my starter to die any time soon.

Based on experience related here, I expect these things to go before the starter motor:

- washer pumps

- valve cover gasket

- expansion tank

- intake boot

- front struts

- front suspension bushings

- engine cooling fan

- blower motor

- actuator for transfer case

(Listed in approx. order of likelihood)

Having escaped premature failure of rear springs, differentials, transfer case, A/C, MAF sensor and window regulator up until now, I expect them, like the starter motor, to be good for a while yet.

Haven't even had the A-pillar trim separation problem.
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Old 08-16-2012, 07:55 AM
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that is for the X5, albiet it may be very similar.
For the facelift X3's (N52) the book says to go from the top requiring intake removal. Looks pretty straightforward once you get it out of the way.
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Old 08-19-2012, 06:18 PM
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Hmm... my starter has been kind of sluggish lately. I wonder if I'll soon experience your issue. I am on the extended warranty until Nov '12. I should bring this up next time I'm at the dealership.
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Old 01-11-2014, 12:52 PM
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My X3 has been a little sluggish starting. Yesterday, it stopped starting at all! New starter needed - to the tune of about $1400. Only 92,000 miles. Anybody else had this problem? I hoped the high dollar repairs were done at 85,000 miles when I had to have the transfer case replaced ($4000). Do I have a lemon or is this normal on these cars? I've had it since it was brand new. All BMW scheduled maintenance done (plus oil changes in-between those high-mileage maintenance visits).


I just replaced my starter in My 2008 x3 and it was going to be $1100 we asked the dealer to ask BMW to help with the cost of this new starter. The did they came back with a 50/50 split. Ask your dealer to do the same. Now it run's better than its ever done since I've owned it amazing.

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Old 01-11-2014, 10:22 PM
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I drove 2008 X3 for exact one week. There were about 8 times I had trouble to start. Tried around 10 times then started certainly. 71000 miles, dealer also experienced same problem. Refer to local BMW professional, not BMW dealer. They kept a day, but couldn't duplicates same problem. However, after I picked up and about couple of hours ago, it happens. I tried app called BMWhat lite and found there's fault report as below. Any suggestion welcome. Thanks,

Fault Report - BMWhat - Version: 6.05
ID1: 5f25816c-0131-40f7-8804-8e1e7dfcb8a1-850ID2: 46b2f318-4a64-4bdb-8b44-919c6b97600b-cf2
Base: E83
Faults: 1
ECUs: 1
Model: X3 3.0 si N 52 B 30 A
Battery: 14.0V
Enhanced communication
Normal connection
Date: 2014-01-11 15:11:32
OBDII
Version: 17
Device: >samsung< >espressorfxx< >GT-P3100<
Motor Control:
Engine / Motor
Fehler: electric fan, self-diagnosis / Fan control
Code: 2EFF
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Old 01-14-2014, 03:36 PM
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I recently bought an 08 x3 with 72000 miles and it looks to be experiencing the same problem with the starter, when cold it cranks, pauses and about 2 seconds later, it catches and starts. It seems it wouldn't take much to get stranded, it sounds sickly. It looks like the battery is fairly new (non oem). Several thoughts come to mind.

1. the battery was not registered correctly or registered at all.
2. Loss of fuel pressure when it's completely cold (leaky fuel injector or bad fuel regulator ?)
3. bad starter
4. or ?
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Old 01-14-2014, 04:11 PM
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2 and 3 are likely. They have different symptoms, one is a *slow turnover* and the other is an *extended turnover especially after an overnight stand*.

The starters kill the batteries which is why people see slight improvements with a new $300 battery. Battery registration is note required with this vehicle, the feature is not supported.
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Old 01-14-2014, 04:20 PM
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Good to know battery registration is not required, thanks for clearing that up.

My symptom is an extended turnover specially after an overnight stand... I'll look into buying a fuel pressure gauge to check pressure at the fuel rail (schrader valve) and go from there. am i on the right track or should I byte the bullet and buy a starter?
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Old 01-14-2014, 04:33 PM
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Local pro is on my X3, now. He will scan every detail to find why. I will let you know.
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Old 01-14-2014, 05:26 PM
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Good to know battery registration is not required, thanks for clearing that up.

My symptom is an extended turnover specially after an overnight stand... I'll look into buying a fuel pressure gauge to check pressure at the fuel rail (schrader valve) and go from there. am i on the right track or should I byte the bullet and buy a starter?
Extended turnover is not the starter. You can make an experiment by leaving the ignition on for a few seconds to run the pump before trying to turn her over.

Some have had success with an additional anti-return valve in the fuel line closer to the engine for the extended turnover.
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