Nobody here talk about the latest IIHS test?

Did anyone watch the video of the 3 series testing?

Ouch. That hurts to watch. The wheel and curtain airbags did a great job keeping the upper torso and head in place despite the twisting rebound of the car. I've seen video of other vehicles where the driver slides to the left and the head goes between the wheel and curtain airbag.

Originally Posted by pix335i

Did anyone watch the video of the 3 series testing?

So where was the damage?

Originally Posted by dtc100

So where was the damage?

That'll buff right out.

Did you guys see the one with the Lexus. OMG, terrible. at least the F30 dummy hits the airbag in the center, knee airbag does its job, I would say hurt a little but nothing serious.

IIHS insurance losses by make, model:

http://www.iihs.org/research/hldi/co...008-2010&cls=3

http://www.iihs.org/research/hldi/co...sz=4&sort=name

I think it's great as consumers that we now have access to this information when car shopping.

Originally Posted by tagheuer

Really?

Toyota currently has 11 models, from small to large, which are IIHS top safety picks.

Toyota also has, and has had for many many years, one of the highest predictable reliability scores of any automaker, by just about any measure (JD Power, Consumer Reports, TrueDelta, take your pick)

How can you say Toyota vehicles don't have solid foundations?

They are as safe, if not safer, than BMWs and are much more reliable.

Its not like BMW is anything special when it comes to safety.

Of course you can't compare driving dynamics/pleasure between Toyota and BMW, but please don't imply that Toyota makes crappy cars with lousy foundations, because that's simply not true.

An important component of vehicle safety is the braking system. Toyota has had some serious issues there.

Originally Posted by Majikthese42

IIHS insurance losses by make, model:

http://www.iihs.org/research/hldi/co...008-2010&cls=3

http://www.iihs.org/research/hldi/co...sz=4&sort=name

Not sure what insurance statistics about totaled cars has to do with anything lol Geo could come back, build a car, get better numbers than any car in the history of manufacturing, and it still wouldn't change the fact that the engine/interior could suck

I'm sure that BMW engineers its cars to do well in crash tests. Now the IIHS has introduced a new test. The Volvo S60 does well but the BMW F30 is marginal. The Mercedes C-class is poor. The VW CC did so poorly that the driver's door flew off which means you can fall out and get killed. The Audi A4's door opened but it did not fall off.



I'm sure BMW will see if it can do better. It is not easy because if it does well on the pole test, it may be too rigid and not absorb energy in the full frontal test.

http://www.iihs.org/news/rss/pr081412.html

Welcome to last week.... see link

I looked and didn't see it. Now I see, thanks to the above link. It seems, that there were a bunch of comments then it stopped several days ago. Ooopsss..

I took a closer look at this in the hope of finding something. I did. Check out the videos of the two cars that did well and compare them to the videos of say the 3 and A4. Look at the Acura TL video. The car basically gets the side shaven off and continues on forward. With the 3, it basically comes to a complete stop then bounces off a little to end up sideways. In other words, the 3 takes a very nasty hit compared to the much softer blow of the TL. But why? One could argue that the TL is better designed. Or that the hit didn't catch its cabin cage while it did for the 3. In other words, if the hit was another inch or two more outside, the 3 might have fared the same way as the TL, or if the hit was another inch or two more inside, the TL might have been demolished in the same way as the 3. This is speculation, but the video is very clear that the impacts were not of the same nature, whereas there is no such difference for full frontal or even moderate offset crashes. That, along with the fact the they seem to imply different key observations for the two A4 crashes, leads me to believe that we are too close to a structural threshold with the 25% offset to make comparisons meaningful (i.e. offsets of say 22% or 27% could produce very different results). I would make much, if anything, from this particular test.

^^
it's cause the Acura's frame rails are pushed out more to the side. If you look at the second pic you'll see the main part of the 3-series structure didn't engage if it had more of the impact energy would have been absorbed as was the case in the TL
http://www.iihs.org/ratings/rating.a...5&seriesid=458

http://corporate.honda.com/safety/de...x?id=collision
http://world.honda.com/automobile-te...compatibility/

Honda deliberately set the structure more outwards, specifically to accommodate this sort of extreme offset collision.

Secondly Honda channels the force upwards into the A-pillar, rather than perpendicular to it which crushes it.




The drawbacks to this strategy are large bulging fenders compared to low profile fenders found on more aesthetically pleasing cars. Which is why the only cars with structures which held up well were the G37, TL and S60 all of which have meaty fenders. I expect most Honda products to be rated either Good or Acceptable in this test.

Originally Posted by White05X3

You did read the article right? The only Toyota models tested both scored below the 328i and in the unacceptable category.

OH and if you visit www.safercar.gov and look at the manufacturers' test scores, you find some interesting statistics. Referring to 2012 models, ALL BMW models tested are given 5 star overall ratings. However, referring back to those Toyotas tested 33 models earn 4 stars, 9 models earn 5 stars and 1 model earned 3 stars.

I respectfully disagree with your assertion.

wtf, NHTSA only tested the 3 and 5-series both of which are new.

Originally Posted by SuperTerp

Nope and never would , I did see the review on TtAC from Dec 11'. and was shocked when I read it... Volvos just seem so irrelevant now (at least to me )

I'll stick with the n54 for now, if I need to win more I'll buy an m5 or better

I did get spanked by an IS-f and it was pretty cool to see.

Yes, you are living proof some people simply don't need to be bothered with the facts. Ask anyone who actually owns one and you will find the XC60 is pretty much universally loved by people who own it. I figure my wife's XC60 AWD T6 will be in our household about 10 years longer than my BMW was, primarily due to the F10's electronics and an average of one trip to the dealer every month. I never bashed the the BMW but just could make a case for owning it any longer.

You, on the other hand, well . . . maybe you're 17 and dream a lot.