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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 09-17-2012, 04:32 PM
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What to replace in cooling system

Ok, people are saying to replace the entire system. Does that mean radiator, expansion tank, cap, all the small hoses, water pump, the pulleys.... what stays? This car I just picked up has clean coolant and a new fan clutch. I check my hoses every oil change for soft spots. I checked this cars and the lower/upper hoses feel and look great.
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Old 09-17-2012, 04:41 PM
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Everything you listed and thermostat, inspect the belts. I'd replace the upper and lower hoses too while I am in there. Then Vanos seal, spark plugs, VCG.
What's the maintenance history of your car? mileage?
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Old 09-17-2012, 04:54 PM
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Go to the bestlinks and type /cooling system F3. You'll find this, among others:

- Complete cooling system overhaul recommended parts list (1) (2)
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Car has 93k, 1 owner FL car. No records of jack. But I've driven it about 200 miles so far since Sat and it's getting better. Starts like a champ, great MPG's, pulls strong. But for the most part I drive "economical". Lots of coasting to lights and watching my acceleration and I keep it in lowest rpm's possible once warmed up.


Let me guess, the radiator is plastic? And the expansion tank goes too? I'm probably going to re-use the clutch being it looks a month old. I already have the two belts, went with Napa premium belts (GATES). Need to get the two tensioners.


Are there any "plastic" pulleys on our cars that need replaced? Or just do the two tensioners with belts.
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Old 09-17-2012, 06:39 PM
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All the pulleys are plastic. But the plastic breaking is not the failure mode. It's the bearings seizing. And you may want to include the fan blade. Although 93K is not a lot of miles, FL weather plus the age makes all the plastic parts suspect. Since a cooling system failure can be catastrophic for the engine, it makes sense to stay ahead of any cooling issues.
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Did a power search for the water pump, wow. what options. that is a nice link you gave me the other day ^ ! The big question now is what brand water pump do I get??? HEPU, Graf, Meyele, GMB, Saleri. Plastic or metal impeller? I need to get another 100k out of it.

Edit: After searching around the Saleri seems to be the "OEM" deal, and then HEPU & GRAF. GMB & Meyle on the lower tiers for budgets. Am I right? I'm looking at a Saleri, HEPU or GRAF. help me decide.


Edit 2: After more searching I'm ready to pull the trigger on a Saleri pump from RMeuroparts. Any reason not to go this route?


Edit 3: Nobody has mentioned the auxillary water pump. Guessing that needs replaced to right?
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:23 PM
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The big question now is what brand water pump do I get?
I'm disappointed. I can tell the original thread wasn't read because it covers the question asked about the belts and pulleys in gory detail.

And the water pump question is also covered in extreme detail, right down to every known water pump brand that is advertised to work on the bimmer.

So, I'm done referencing for now. ...
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Old 09-18-2012, 04:48 AM
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^ I read the whole thing and even printed it out. You say to go with HEPU. Doesnt mention Saleri. ?
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Old 09-18-2012, 04:55 AM
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Did a power search for the water pump, wow. what options. that is a nice link you gave me the other day ^ ! The big question now is what brand water pump do I get??? HEPU, Graf, Meyele, GMB, Saleri. Plastic or metal impeller? I need to get another 100k out of it.

Edit: After searching around the Saleri seems to be the "OEM" deal, and then HEPU & GRAF. GMB & Meyle on the lower tiers for budgets. Am I right? I'm looking at a Saleri, HEPU or GRAF. help me decide.


Edit 2: After more searching I'm ready to pull the trigger on a Saleri pump from RMeuroparts. Any reason not to go this route?


Edit 3: Nobody has mentioned the auxillary water pump. Guessing that needs replaced to right?

You need to search again. I have never even heard of Saleri. See this thread: http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...ght=water+pump

And skip the aux pump.
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Old 09-18-2012, 05:03 AM
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^ Looks like HEPU or Stewart. IIRC the HEPU's have metal impellers. Saleri is listed on a lot of the vendors. AutohausAZ has it. It's an Italian part, that some say is OEM supplied. Seems like the safe bet is the HEPU metal impeller.
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Old 09-18-2012, 05:35 AM
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I cannot charaterize the Saleri because there is little known history of use for that product on this forum. Hence, using it would entail a degree of risk. I do not believe Saleri is the OEM WP. That would be GMB. And there is no price advantage.

I would characterize the HEPU as a Best Value selection. Similar in price to Graf, Geba, Saleri, etc. At that price point, it is a good value as it is proven reliable water pump. There is little to no risk associated with this pump. (Disclosure: I use a HEPU)

I would characterize the Stewart as the Best Product at any cost. Given that it is 4X the cost of the HEPU, I am not entirely certain you get 4X improvement in reliability (it does have a lifetime warranty) and there is little noticeable improvement in performance (irrespective of the improved flowrates). There is little to no risk associated with this pump.

Bottom line, it all depends on how much you want to spend.
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FLE39, use this to shop around www.furiousmethod.com
I use HEPU on both of my bimmers.
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If the upper and lower hoses are good, keep them for now. But:

1. Temp sensor (lower hose), at least change the O-ring for now.
2. Rad: I use Nissens (installed May 2006, so far so good)
3. Fan Clutch: Sachs (installed May 2006, so far so good)
4. Thermostat: go with Wahler
5. WP: I have HEPU (installed May 2006, so far so good)
6. Fan Blade: BMW only, nothing else.
7. Reservoir quality has gone down since the last few years, even with the reservoir from BMW. Use only BMW reservoir and expect it to last about 5 years, then replace it!
My BMW reservoir was installed 2006, developed a minor crack near the seams near the cap in Nov 2011, it took me a long time to find it because the crack is on the front side (hidden by the shroud).
8. All pulleys need to go, the bearings grease dries out at 90K.
9. Belts are cheap.

When bleeding system do it with engine cool, and fill coolant past the KALT mark, almost to the brim, then it will flow out the bleeder screw on the tstat housing.
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Old 09-18-2012, 06:49 AM
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A particular weak point is the hose top rear of engine off the head that feeds the heater, that specific one gets lots of heat, replace. Recommend NPG+ also, do search. Also must go with aluminum tstat housing, plastic one will fail.

On pulleys, the one that goes is the idler pulley near the alternator, easy replacement. Fan clutch is a must.

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I'm not looking to upgrade to aftermarket parts... so HEPU water pump, Whaler Tstat, BMW hoses & Exp tank. I'll do the other brand of radiator; not nessen forget the name. BMW fan. The clutch is like new, I"ll check the name on it. I'm doing all the hoses, I counted 5 total.
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Wahler T-stat
Seems like you have the cooling system covered
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Whats the deal with the Composite water pumps? Read somewhere on an archived thread that they are better then the metal impellers. Cn90 you recommended the wahler thermostat, however in your overhaul you used the behr 88 deg one, was their a problem with the behr one? just curious. OP based on forum member experience def get the expansion tank from dealer, they are pricey but the peace of mind is worth. I picked one up yesterday from BMW at $108.00. I will be redoing certain parts in my cooling system, im still running on the original expansion tank.

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Whats the deal with the Composite water pumps? Read somewhere on an archived thread that they are better then the metal impellers. Cn90 you recommended the wahler thermostat, however in your overhaul you used the behr 88 deg one, was their a problem with the behr one? just curious. OP based on forum member experience def get the expansion tank from dealer, they are pricey but the piece of mind is worth. I picked one up yesterday from BMW at $108.00. I will be redoing certain parts in my cooling system, im still running on the original expansion tank.
Re Tstat: Both Behr and Wahler are excellent mfg of tstat. However, the O.P. has the electrical thermostat, there was why I mentioned Wahler.

Re: Saleri, probably good but why mess with success? Remember BMW WP impeller used to fall apart. The reason I recommend HEPU is: the Volvo people have been using HEPU for a looooong time and these HEPU WPs last well beyond 100K.

OK, this is a piece of my mind but no peace of mind.
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OK good to know, thanks for the reply. Changed piece to peace, how I messed that up no idea. BMW wants $505.00 for their behr radiator, I cannot justify that pricing even if it is of better quality and by how much i don't know. That price is closing in on a zionsville rad. Unfortunately I had no luck with the behr SA rad, so i might try nissens.
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Some recommend replacing all 15 cooling hoses- I have not at 170,000 but may be due for things at 200k if not sooner. Replacing lower and upper hoses along with radiator, temp sensor oring, expansion tank, thermostat, and water pump were enough to keep the coolant inside since 130,000 miles for now.

Below is a good one.

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=528651
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^excellent parts list. Where is your Water pump? I think the HEPU is the best price/quality point product. This is a budget build for me but doesn't mean I want a autozone pump. Everyone seems so divided on brands and plastic vs metal impellers. Do the wahler Tstat, behr radiator, BMW tank, cap, screw and hoses, fan blade & coolant. Planning on re-using the like new fan clutch if I can verify the brand. Don't want to reuse some AZ clutch.


15 hoses? I had the Real OEM diagram up. There are 5 hoses and few "pipes". Those pipes I'm guessing ar metal and only need replaced if they are rusting out. I've gone 20+yrs and 250k on those types of pipes on my old supras.


Should I replace the overflow hose from the expansion tank even if mine looks good? I mean, that's not something to leave you on the side of the road. Same question with the rubber strip between the shroud and radiator. And the 4 radiator mounts.... replace or not?
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Should I replace the overflow hose from the expansion tank even if mine looks good? I mean, that's not something to leave you on the side of the road. Same question with the rubber strip between the shroud and radiator. And the 4 radiator mounts.... replace or not?
No, no & no.

The expansion tank overflow hose is not constantly filled and under heat & pressure so failure is not catastrophic and highly unlikely.

I am not even sure what the function of the rubber strip is other than cosmetic.

The radiator mounts are just rubber pads. Failure of these is highly unlikely.
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Cool man. so as long as they are in decent shape, keep'm. 10-Fo
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Ok guys, Why are the Behr expansion tanks no good again? They're half the price of the BMW units. If Behr makes a good radiator, why can't they make a exp tank? That would be a huge savings. $80+ vs $40-50. I'm just asking. As long at it lasts 4yrs 100k I'm good with it.
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