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Old 09-27-2012, 07:33 PM
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Edmunds must suck at driving. 0-60 at 4.5s is horrible.
For the current M5, I have seen published 0-60 times ranging from 3.6 to 4.6 seconds and published quarter mile times ranging from 11.7 to 12.9 seconds. Everyone always quotes the fastest times and slams anyone who measures a slower time. I wonder why that happens.
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4.5 is faster than you ever need outside the drag strip and as I understand this car pulls as if it has afterburners lit from pretty much any speed you will encounter on and off the track. Speed and power is not an issue with it. Weight, chassi reactions and raw feedback is where I guess I will have some issues with it once I get my hands on it. It looks great in white btw.

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4.5 is faster than you ever need outside the drag strip and as I understand this car pulls as if it has afterburners lit from pretty much any speed you will encounter on and off the track. Speed and power is not an issue with it. Weight, chassi reactions and raw feedback is where I guess I will have some issues with it once I get my hands on it. It looks great in white btw.
I can't recall well; but is your M3 a convertible?

ps I think I'm mistaken; yours was a F10 which turned out to be a lemon and an exchange was made for the M3. Your wife's V6 Cayenne will have no probs with Weight, chassi reactions and raw feedback.

pps help me recall - did you initially believe the F10 M5 did the Nurburgring at 7:55? http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife.htmlid

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I can't recall well; but is your M3 a convertible?

ps I think I'm mistaken; yours was a F10 which turned out to be a lemon and an exchange was made for the M3. Your wife's V6 Cayenne will have no probs with Weight, chassi reactions and raw feedback.

pps help me recall - did you initially believe the F10 M5 did the Nurburgring at 7:55? http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife.htmlid
no,yes,no and no.
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Old 09-29-2012, 07:15 AM
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I can't recall well; but is your M3 a convertible?

ps I think I'm mistaken; yours was a F10 which turned out to be a lemon and an exchange was made for the M3. Your wife's V6 Cayenne will have no probs with Weight, chassi reactions and raw feedback.

pps help me recall - did you initially believe the F10 M5 did the Nurburgring at 7:55? http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife.htmlid
I wouldn't quote fastestlaps, they knowingly omit official times and yet include "claims". It's quite a joke of a site. Perfect example, they won't allow Corvettes numbers- someone there feels GM's bankruptcy should preclude them or something. Stick to wiki...
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I'm sure the M5 is a luxury missile but it's not what I personally would spend 100k on. Maybe if I commuted 100 miles+ daily on Autobahn, maybe. Personally I would only spend 100k and up on sports car in the shape of a sedan or coupe.

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I wouldn't quote fastestlaps, they knowingly omit official times and yet include "claims". It's quite a joke of a site. Perfect example, they won't allow Corvettes numbers- someone there feels GM's bankruptcy should preclude them or something. Stick to wiki...
I impressed by Chevy Camaro ZL1 being recorded at 7:41.27 which is listed on both fastestlaps and Wiki, but F10 M5's 7:55 is only listed on fastestlaps.
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Personally I would only spend 100k and up on sports car in the shape of a sedan or coupe.
You mean like an M5?
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You mean like an M5?
No. To me it's not a sports car, to big and heavy and compromised by it's dual duty as a comfortable daily luxury car. It seems like a GT car.
I have not driven it though, maybe it does have the unfiltered, raw, agile and scalpel like precision attributes of a great sports car. If it has the M division has done some serious magic with the F10. It's not impossible but it's not what I've read in the reviews so far.

That said, I do understand that for many like Stealth it's close to the perfect car and a dream come true. It's just that my dream cars have never been luxury comfort cars it's been sports cars from Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo and the likes. I can appreciate a good compromise and gladly buy one but if I'm going into the six figures it will only be for a "dream car". The new M5 seems to be one heck of a car though so congrats to the new owners here!

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Have often wondered if the m5 acceleration is compromised by not having xdrive. I have seen 0-60 of 4.5s for the 550 xdrive which seems feasible although maybe optimistic. It is certainly sub 4.9s....have to think the M pulls over .5s faster.
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That launch looks compromised. The surface isn't great looking for traction.

Either way, I haven yet heard of anyone complaining that the M5 is slow.
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That launch looks compromised. The surface isn't great looking for traction.

Either way, I haven yet heard of anyone complaining that the M5 is slow.
It's a lot quicker than 4.5. I was getting 4.2 in my 550 Dinan S2, and the M5 feels like it launches much quicker than the 550 DinanS2.

Either way, it's a useless metric anyway. I hardly ever floor the accelerator from standstill. For me the fun is cornering and passing, not drag racing.
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Edmund's numbers always seem off, compared to Motor Trend and C&D
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It's a lot quicker than 4.5. I was getting 4.2 in my 550 Dinan S2, and the M5 feels like it launches much quicker than the 550 DinanS2.

Either way, it's a useless metric anyway. I hardly ever floor the accelerator from standstill. For me the fun is cornering and passing, not drag racing.
True cornering and passing are important, but for some drivers 0-60 is very practical and often used capability. I very much enjoy my car's 3.8 sec consistent and non-dramatic acceleration. First to the merge has a view of the open road, the rest stare at tailights.
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True cornering and passing are important, but for some drivers 0-60 is very practical and often used capability. I very much enjoy my car's 3.8 sec consistent and non-dramatic acceleration. First to the merge has a view of the open road, the rest stare at tailights.
Honestly, the 550xi D2 is such a sleeper. If I saw a non-M F10 on the street, I wouldn't expect that kind of performance. Forced induction is only going to get better
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Edmund's numbers always seem off, compared to Motor Trend and C&D
Yup, Insideline is pretty slow, but not the slowest: BMW's ballistic M5 tested
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Honestly, the 550xi D2 is such a sleeper. If I saw a non-M F10 on the street, I wouldn't expect that kind of performance. Forced induction is only going to get better
Just imagine an M5x; people will start to look at 3.6 as being slow.
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Magazine numbers (whether online or print) can rarely be trusted implicitly. Not only are there myriad variables that directly impact the results, some of the magazines "correct" the raw results to supposedly account for these variables.

Whether the actual number is X or X+.1 or X+.2 etc is somewhat moot - a car either feels fast or it doesn't. The proverbial butt dyno and the size of the grin induced by the vehicle in question are probably the two most relevant test instruments.
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Just imagine an M5x; people will start to look at 3.6 as being slow.
AWD in the M5 would make it ridiculous. Since BMW won't it, I guess we have to wait for the upcoming C7 RS6
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Whether the actual number is X or X+.1 or X+.2 etc is somewhat moot - a car either feels fast or it doesn't. The proverbial butt dyno and the size of the grin induced by the vehicle in question are probably the two most relevant test instruments.
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It's just that my dream cars have never been luxury comfort cars it's been sports cars from Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo and the likes. I can appreciate a good compromise and gladly buy one but if I'm going into the six figures it will only be for a "dream car". The new M5 seems to be one heck of a car though so congrats to the new owners here!
Well, it is faster than some Porsches 7:55 was the first timing on a known lap; it has now a number of lap times http://www.fastestlaps.com/cars/bmw_m5_f10.html

ps why did you purchase the F10 previously, and not the M3 or other cars like a Porsche, (used) Ferrari/Porsche/Lambo etc? Did you own an E60 before the F10?

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I wouldn't quote fastestlaps, they knowingly omit official times and yet include "claims". It's quite a joke of a site. Perfect example, they won't allow Corvettes numbers- someone there feels GM's bankruptcy should preclude them or something. Stick to wiki...
Your "Corvette example" appears not to support your "claim" "not allowing some", is not "including some"

Allow me to repost the following from fastest laps
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http://www.fastestlaps.com/rules.html
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btw, who is the/any administrator for wiki for lap times?

and here, corvettes on fastestlaps http://www.fastestlaps.com/cars/chev...ort_coupe.html
http://www.fastestlaps.com/cars/chev...l_edition.html
http://www.fastestlaps.com/cars/chev..._sport_c6.html
http://www.fastestlaps.com/cars/chev...06_carbon.html
http://www.fastestlaps.com/cars/chev...vette_zr1.html
http://www.fastestlaps.com/cars/chev..._heritage.html
http://www.fastestlaps.com/cars/chev...nvertible.html

do a search at the site and there are other corvettes as shown in the links above

ps do you know whether any of the following lap times for the M5 is false? http://www.fastestlaps.com/cars/bmw_m5_f10.html

Lap Times (11)

Track Time Position Faster than Slower than
Nordschleife 7:55.00 71/268 Porsche 911 Turbo Porsche 911 GT3
Sachsenring 1:38.90 29/163 Porsche 911 Carrera S BMW M3 CRT
Hockenheim short "powercar layout" 1:16.80 6/16 Mercedes E63 AMG Performance Package Porsche Panamera Turbo S
Hockenheim Short 1:12.90 74/597 Ferrari 360 CS Porsche 911 Sport Classic
Kyalami (new) 1:59.71 8/28 Audi TT RS Coupe Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4
Autocar Dry Handling Track 1:14.10 d 21/69 Porsche 911 Carrera Lotus Evora S
Autocar Wet Handling Track 1:17.30 63/69 Suzuki Swift 1.2 SZ4 BMW M3
Balocco 2:57.30 55/281 Mercedes C 63 AMG BMW Z4 M Coupe
Circuit de Nevers Magny-Cours Club 1:24.89 30/102 Artega GT Aston Martin V8 Vantage S
Autozeitung test track 1:39.80 37/614 Dodge Viper SRT-10 Mercedes CLS 63 AMG Perfromance Package
Spring Mountain (Radical loop section) 1:21.10 7/28 Porsche 911 Turbo Nissan GT-R
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pps the 7:55 lap time was submitted as below:
"BMW M5 (F10) @ Nordschleife

Lap time ID: 4e04167f0d1d6
Car: 2011 BMW M5 (F10) (412 kw)
Track: Nordschleife
Lap time: 7:55.000
Conditions: Normal
Driven by:
Additional notes: officle claim by BMW***65533;s M5 project leader Albert Biermann during officle debut of the M5 at the northloop
Submitter IP: 84.177.***.***
Date & time of submission: 24/06/11, 04:53:33"

You know the above is false??

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