Porsche to make world's most powerful diesel, beating out the X5 M50d

Originally Posted by Flyingman

They did, and they do. It was in the Liberty. A rather crappy Italian engine.

They also offer diesel in all of their overseas vehicles, just not here.

It was the torque converter that was crappy. It locked up really late and gave poor fuel economy. The new JGC tranny is by ZF and is an 8 speed.

PL

Originally Posted by Flyingman

They did, and they do. It was in the Liberty. A rather crappy Italian engine.

They also offer diesel in all of their overseas vehicles, just not here.

They also had a GC w/MBZ engine for a short while.

Originally Posted by Snipe656

These two quotes sure seem to contradict one another.

I had a co-worker down in Rosharon who had one of these up until he was relocated overseas. He ranted and raved about how great it was. If I remember right he had around 85k miles on it when he had to part with it. Loved the fuel economy and power of it. Used it to tow his water based tows and 4-wheelers. Don't remember him ever griping about towing issues. I also do not remember him griping about repairs or maintenance. Perhaps he was just an anomaly.

I am sure a lot of reasons killed the V10 such as who is willing to pay upwards of $80k for a VW, engine could not pass stricter emissions, everything was gear driven so if something broke it took a bit of effort to replace it, if someone wants power do they really go looking at a VW for it and so on.

Having actually OWNED one, towed with it and calculated MPG, I stand by assessment.

Originally Posted by Snipe656

These two quotes sure seem to contradict one another.

I had a co-worker down in Rosharon who had one of these up until he was relocated overseas. He ranted and raved about how great it was. If I remember right he had around 85k miles on it when he had to part with it. Loved the fuel economy and power of it. Used it to tow his water based tows and 4-wheelers. Don't remember him ever griping about towing issues. I also do not remember him griping about repairs or maintenance. Perhaps he was just an anomaly.

I am sure a lot of reasons killed the V10 such as who is willing to pay upwards of $80k for a VW, engine could not pass stricter emissions, everything was gear driven so if something broke it took a bit of effort to replace it, if someone wants power do they really go looking at a VW for it and so on.

Having actually OWNED one, towed with it and calculated MPG, I stand by assessment.
I didn't have a problem with the price tag because I saw the technology and engineering behind the vehicle and saw the value... didn't matter to me if it was a Porsche, BMW, Mercedes or a VW. But no doubt, most people wont pay $75,000 for a "peoples car"

Originally Posted by dnaer

didn't matter to me if it was a Porsche, BMW, Mercedes or a VW. But no doubt, most people wont pay $75,000 for a "peoples car"

I am the same way but I think a lot of people are not.

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Trolling for attention...Unfortunately, diesel is subsidized in Germany. They will be on the way out if the politicians have it their way. None of the Asian mfgs are promoting diesel. Yes, Mazda is the first one with a diesel. If the Germans do not promote diesel, it will die. The future seems to be in hybrids, yuck.

Originally Posted by Dave 330i

Trolling for attention...Unfortunately, diesel is subsidized in Germany. They will be on the way out if the politicians have it their way. None of the Asian mfgs are promoting diesel. Yes, Mazda is the first one with a diesel. If the Germans do not promote diesel, it will die. The future seems to be in hybrids, yuck.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_tax

There's a difference between a subsidy and a tax. There is no subsidy - it's a tax.

And it's a difference of less than 10%.

Sheesh.

PL

Originally Posted by JSpira

No additional comment necessary...

I will comment.
M50d http://www.carfolio.com/specificatio...ar/?car=261646
Weight: 4905 lbs
Acceleration: 5.3

Cayenne Disel S http://www.autoevolution.com/engine/...v8-382-hp.html
Weight: 4839 lbs
Acceleration: 5.7 seconds

Having most powerful engine doesn't help if you can't connect all that power with the pavement.

Originally Posted by TDIwyse

They are using 40% more displacement, 33% more cylinders and injectors to make 0.2% more power than the BMW. Personally, my favorite engine configuration is the inline 6. Glad to have two of them.

Yup, Porsche isn't trying a tri-turbo setup, just yet. It will probably be much more bulletproof and reliable, compared to BMW's setup

Yeah, I must admit the idea of a triple turbo setup is intriguing and all but it sure does not give me a warm and fuzzy feeling about long term reliability. I think that is a setup I will wait a very long time on, if it even were ever to get offered here.

Originally Posted by serge1

I will comment.
M50d http://www.carfolio.com/specificatio...ar/?car=261646
Weight: 4905 lbs
Acceleration: 5.3

Cayenne Disel S http://www.autoevolution.com/engine/...v8-382-hp.html
Weight: 4839 lbs
Acceleration: 5.7 seconds

Having most powerful engine doesn't help if you can't connect all that power with the pavement.

We all know that manufacturer quoted times don't mean anything. For example, BMW "says" that the F30's N20 makes 240hp, but it makes it at the wheels, not the crank.

@AutoUnion I believe some Car Buff Mag made a dyno run on the F30 and they clocked 277 whp!! Anyway I recall my many times in DUBAI when i was crossing a street and heard a Town & Country Chrysler with a DIESEl, I saw many Jeep with DIESELS, and this was back in 96-98 when I was there. I question people in DUBAI and they stated that most of the American cars were guess what? DIESELS!!!!!

Originally Posted by AutoUnion

Yup, Porsche isn't trying a tri-turbo setup, just yet. It will probably be much more bulletproof and reliable, compared to BMW's setup

Until we have some actual data to compare, it's difficult to accurately predict which setup will be more reliable. Here's hoping they're both robust designs.