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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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Old 10-01-2012, 08:35 AM
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Ok maybe there is no choice but let them do the reviews, but should there not be a disclaimer, like any stock analyst will know to list his or her holdings at the end of the analysis, if such holdings are relevant.

I know you were being sarcastic, but the issue is real. Just look at how the current F30 owners defend their turf.

That reminds me how the C&D reviewer conducted his test. I don't know if he drives a 3 as his daily driver or not, but he clearly did not like the ATS, he appeared not wanting to be bothered by it. He even complained about the CUE because his large radar detector cord touched the screen and changed the speaker volume. Really? Who dangles a three feet cord down from the rear view mirror?

Of course in the end, he characterized the ATS as another fly swipped away by the new 3 series. Was that necessary? Was he trying to be funny or to make sure we know he could not wait for that video to be over? He sure sounded solemnly when he said it. He did not even try to hide his bias.

BJ would have been a more objective reviewer in that video.
Found the C and D comparo video. I don't see how you could possibly think the test driver did not like the ATS. He praised the chassis and steering as much better than the 328i. And think a bit about radar detectors. If the outlet is in the console than the cord has to go across the screen. The point he was making is the screen is too sensitive and doesn't offer a knob like used on Audi, Mercedes and BMW multi-function displays. In fact this is the same complaint that this sort of system received when they first came out. The idea is good, the execution poor. The Cadillac engine sounds like it's seriously lacking vs the BMW. It makes less power than advertised and runs out of steam early. Major screw up by Cadillac. People are ripping on BMW for having a 4 cylinder engine in a $40K+ car but at least it's a great 4 banger. The GM engine does not seem to be in the same class.
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Old 10-01-2012, 08:45 AM
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Old 10-01-2012, 08:48 AM
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The minimum MSRP for the most performance optioned ATS 3.6 is $48k. The most performance optioned F30 328i is only $39k, although without many fancy items such as navigation and LSD.
A $39k MSRP F30 is pretty much a base car, I know-I had built one at first.

My M-Sport is still incredibly light on options and MSRP'd for $43k. An averagely equipped car is $43-45k. If you option both cars to be competitive with each other, a $39k F30 is not going to cut it against an V-6 ATS.
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A $39k MSRP F30 is pretty much a base car, I know-I had built one at first.

My M-Sport is still incredibly light on options and MSRP'd for $43k. An averagely equipped car is $43-45k. If you option both cars to be competitive with each other, a $39k F30 is not going to cut it against an V-6 ATS.
That's the good part of the F30, you can option a best performing 328i for $39k, or the best performing 335i for $43k. With ATS, you have to have the very top trim to have all the performance options added.

I am also not ruling out the ATS 2.0T, but we have sufficient reviews to draw, that the 2.0T will have no exhaust or intake sound to speak of, and not as pleasing engine rev or power delivery, for fun driving, 3.6 seems the choice for not a lot more money.

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Old 10-01-2012, 09:52 AM
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That's the good part of the F30, you can option a best performing 328i for $39k, or the best performing 335i for $43k. With ATS, you have to have the very top trim to have all the performance options added.

I am also not ruling out the ATS 2.0T, but we have sufficient reviews to draw, that the 2.0T will have no exhaust or intake sound to speak of, and not as pleasing engine rev or power delivery, for fun driving, 3.6 seems the choice for not a lot more money.
+1 BMW has always been one of the best about this, compared to competitors who require you to buy every single package to get the individual options you want.
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Old 10-01-2012, 10:04 AM
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That's the good part of the F30, you can option a best performing 328i for $39k, or the best performing 335i for $43k. With ATS, you have to have the very top trim to have all the performance options added.

I am also not ruling out the ATS 2.0T, but we have sufficient reviews to draw, that the 2.0T will have no exhaust or intake sound to speak of, and not as pleasing engine rev or power delivery, for fun driving, 3.6 seems the choice for not a lot more money.
No MT for the 3.6. A deal killer for me.
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No MT for the 3.6. A deal killer for me.
That makes no sense. They want to compete with BMW but won't offer a 6spd
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Old 10-01-2012, 10:58 AM
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That makes no sense. They want to compete with BMW but won't offer a 6spd
Yes, it's hard to understand. It doesn't look like Cadillac offers a MT with this engine in the CTS but does on the 3.0 V-6. Hopefully one is in development.

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That makes no sense. They want to compete with BMW but won't offer a 6spd
It will make sense once the ATS-V is out - anyone who wants the V6 w/ 6 speed will likely go for the ATS-V instead.

They can throw the 6 speed from the Camaro ZL1 in there.
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Old 10-01-2012, 11:23 AM
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No MT for the 3.6. A deal killer for me.
Look at the bright side, if you can live with the 2.0T manual ATS, LSD comes standard (no MRC), so a similarly performance optioned ATS (compared to the $38k 328i) is only $34,615 MSRP, the standard sport suspension is quite good.

I did not notice much difference between the sport seat and the standard seat in the ATS. If nice sport seats are the priority, one should try the Audi S4. It is not just front sport seats, but back seats too.

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Old 10-01-2012, 11:51 AM
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It will make sense once the ATS-V is out - anyone who wants the V6 w/ 6 speed will likely go for the ATS-V instead.

They can throw the 6 speed from the Camaro ZL1 in there.
Maybe that applies for Cadillac's market but certainly not BMW's as we know they sell at least a decent amount of N55's with MT.
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Maybe that applies for Cadillac's market but certainly not BMW's as we know they sell at least a decent amount of N55's with MT.
Fewer than 10% in the U.S. This is why about three years they increased the base price and made the automatic standard equipment with the manual as a no cost (and no credit) option.
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Fewer than 10% in the U.S. This is why about three years they increased the base price and made the automatic standard equipment with the manual as a no cost (and no credit) option.
The ATS 2.0T not only has LSD standard if you pick manual, there is also a $1k+ credit for the manual, which is why it can be priced so low. Unfortunately the reviews on the manual have been bad.
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This article was posted in the E90 section by kck7. I found it oh so fitting to this thread, and like an ode to BJ.

Such classic lines as- 'The sort of person who buys a BMW would rather be force fed Velveeta cubes than drive a Cadillac.'

Or this classic - "BMW logo, declaring that it stood for "Beauty. Money. Wealth."

Read more: [http://www.askmen.com/cars/car_tips/...#ixzz28GgHPjvN

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The ATS 2.0T not only has LSD standard if you pick manual, there is also a $1k+ credit for the manual, which is why it can be priced so low. Unfortunately the reviews on the manual have been bad.
And the engine.
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