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Old 10-04-2012, 07:20 AM
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I have no dog in this fight, but I have long since learned to distrust "official" weights by a significant margin. The face that the two cars were tested to the same spec (passengers, fluids, etc.) on the same set of scales on the same day means much more to me.
Maybe I'm missing something; do the 3 cars have the same options? Pls point out the relevant portion/page/link.
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Old 10-04-2012, 07:22 AM
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I see both gross weight and kerb weights and they are different. What's up with that?

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Old 10-04-2012, 07:49 AM
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I see both gross weight and kerb weights and they are different. What's up with that?

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Generally, kerb weight is when empty and gross is with passengers etc

But BMW's unladen weight can be "The figure quoted includes a 90 per cent tank filling,  68 kg for the driver and 7 kg for luggage.
Unladen weight applies to vehicles with standard equipment. Optional equipment may
increase this figure."
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I assume you disregarded the official US BMW and Audi websites for your own motives; and you know for a fact that the 3 cars tested had the same options incl seats
I'm not shocked you call BS on the weights. It's hilarious that you believe everything that BMW says to you.

For example, BMW quotes 240hp for the F30 N20, but it's making 240hp at the wheels. Not at the crank that most other makers quote. Do you also believe quoted 0-60 times by BMW. Again, real world numbers are usually much different.
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Old 10-04-2012, 07:36 PM
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I'm not shocked you call BS on the weights. It's hilarious that you believe everything that BMW says to you.

For example, BMW quotes 240hp for the F30 N20, but it's making 240hp at the wheels. Not at the crank that most other makers quote. Do you also believe quoted 0-60 times by BMW. Again, real world numbers are usually much different.
It's neither according to http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...highlight=dyno and http://www.f30post.com/forums/showth...highlight=dyno

I trust you understand the requirement to meet the (minimum) stated hp.

I assume then that you do not know whether the 7 series and A8 pointed by you have the same options
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Old 10-04-2012, 08:21 PM
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Maybe I'm missing something; do the 3 cars have the same options? Pls point out the relevant portion/page/link.
By same spec I did not mean options. I meant with or without fluids, gas, etc.

I you look at the full test, all three cars are pretty decently optioned. The only big difference in spec you will get are seats and tires, and neither are significantly different on these cars
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Old 10-04-2012, 08:40 PM
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By same spec I did not mean options. I meant with or without fluids, gas, etc.

I you look at the full test, all three cars are pretty decently optioned. The only big difference in spec you will get are seats and tires, and neither are significantly different on these cars
I may still be missing something.

For the A8: "It is also the least costly, starting at $84,875 and tested at $88,375, with two options aboard that would appeal only ***8201;to owners who eschew chauffeurs: the $2300 Audi Drive Select Plus package, which includes dynamic variable-ratio steering and a torque-vectoring rear differential, plus $1200 worth of 20-inch wheels with summer tires."

For the 7: "Our blue example, with its twin-turbo, 4.4-liter V-8 blowing out 400 horsepower, carried more than $10,000 in options, including $3750 in sport-driving addenda such as dynamic anti-roll bars and variable four-wheel steering. You get Oyster Nappa leather and matte-finish wood everywhere, plus a navigation system, for the base price but pay $1800 for the stereo upgrade with iPod and USB adapters and $1300 each for a head-up display and a set of 19-inch wheels. " The tires for the 7 are run flats
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^ So runflats are your excuse for the almost 300 lb weight difference? Are you forgetting that the A8 even has AWD with that ridiculous weight difference?

Stuff like Nappa leather, navigation, iPod/USB are already standard on the A8... It's a porker, no matter how you try to make the numbers work in your favor. Simple as that.

That being said, you have earned a spot on the coveted Ignore List™. Your constant ignorance and baiting are waste of everyone's time.
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Old 10-04-2012, 08:53 PM
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... So is the current Audi A8. That is why it is significantly lighter than an equivalent 7 series, even with its AWD system.
I presume that's your best reply, and you don't appreciate the meaning of "including" wrt the 750iL
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