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Old 10-03-2012, 10:51 AM
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I doubt anyone here actually knows unless John Schaffer or another sales person wants to chime in. I imagine that the percentage of DHP/VSS cars is minuscule, like single digits... like, 1%.
I agree, <5% of all F30's have VSS.
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:52 AM
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I doubt anyone here actually knows unless John Schaffer or another sales person wants to chime in. I imagine that the percentage of DHP/VSS cars is minuscule, like single digits... like, 1%.
That might explain why there are so few reports of the problem from cars so equipped. (Fraction of a tiny fraction.)
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Old 10-03-2012, 03:17 PM
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Understandable. And im skeptical of the "my car does not have this problem" Unless you own a car with DHP. I have driven a few on my dealers lot and i could replicate the issue on each one. Also was able to replicate it on an X3(same zf steering box). Maybe im being too picky and anal, or maybe it is a widespread issue.

Did you check out that thread on F30post?
I definitely don't have this issue on my baseline and trust me I've looked for it, as I would love to swap for a Sport model. And mine was a very early build I picked it up in Feb.
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Old 10-04-2012, 07:19 AM
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Totally agree with everything you have said, especially the bolded parts

To be honest i would have not given them the car to do anything. There is no fix. The fact that they are aware would have been where the service involvement should have ended. My scenario is very similar to yours. I took the car in once, the shop forman agreed with me, and acknowledged the issue. I had him open the puma case, which is what they will do with you, and 2 weeks later i was ordering my new car. BMW does not want you to lemon the car because it goes on the title and they cant get much for it when it goes to auction. Call BMWNA and tell them whats up, they will talk to your dealer and in about 2 weeks you can be ordering your new car(doesnt have to be another F30). They will give you back the money you have spent on the car minus a fee for mileage used.
I took your advice and called BMWNA and officially put my complaint in. I'll let them take my vehicle next Thursday to do whatever testing they wanted to do and to start the puma case. I did mention to the BMWNA Rep and if there isn't a fix, I'll end up starting the process of Lemon Lawing it. I also told them that I was a bit disappointed that they wouldn't test these new F30's before selling them to ensure people wouldn't get stuck with this issue. I guess they are just hoping that most people won't care but you'd think they'd know their customers are a bit pickier than most. At least I think so.

IF they contact me to turn this vehicle in, I really don't know what I'll do. Not sure if I'll move to a 5 series or just leave BMW altogether. I'm still a bit bothered and frustrated about this.
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Old 10-04-2012, 10:18 AM
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I know someone tried this, but can anyone actually get a video of this occurring? Perhaps with a passenger behind the driver for safety? I have had my car for over a month and I can't say for sure that I have this issue. I am thinking I do not. I think there is a lot of good descriptions here, but a picture (or video) is worth a thousand words.

I think it would really help to level set people, not to mention inform the community of what is a problem, and what isn't.
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Old 10-04-2012, 10:37 AM
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I know someone tried this, but can anyone actually get a video of this occurring? Perhaps with a passenger behind the driver for safety? I have had my car for over a month and I can't say for sure that I have this issue. I am thinking I do not. I think there is a lot of good descriptions here, but a picture (or video) is worth a thousand words.

I think it would really help to level set people, not to mention inform the community of what is a problem, and what isn't.
I will try but it's very hard to keep the camera steady when driving
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Old 10-04-2012, 10:56 AM
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I will try but it's very hard to keep the camera steady when driving
All you probably need to do is get one of these;

http://www.amazon.com/JOBY-JB01249-0...rds=gorillapod

And strap your phone/camera to it. It could be secured in a number of places, like the driver headrest posts.

You make the video that demonstrates the issue and you upload it to Youtube and try to get enough of a buzz about it that it gets picked up on sites like F30post, Bimmerfest, etc, not to mention potentially getting attention from BMWCCA.

If the problem is as serious as has been described this is exactly the kind of negative press BMW does not want, which will motivate them to fix the issue, OR to release something about it being "normal" in which case people can decide for themselves if it is acceptable before making a purchase decision.
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Old 10-04-2012, 03:40 PM
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All you probably need to do is get one of these;

http://www.amazon.com/JOBY-JB01249-0...rds=gorillapod

And strap your phone/camera to it. It could be secured in a number of places, like the driver headrest posts.

You make the video that demonstrates the issue and you upload it to Youtube and try to get enough of a buzz about it that it gets picked up on sites like F30post, Bimmerfest, etc, not to mention potentially getting attention from BMWCCA.

If the problem is as serious as has been described this is exactly the kind of negative press BMW does not want, which will motivate them to fix the issue, OR to release something about it being "normal" in which case people can decide for themselves if it is acceptable before making a purchase decision.
Makes sense.
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Old 10-04-2012, 03:46 PM
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All you probably need to do is get one of these;

http://www.amazon.com/JOBY-JB01249-0...rds=gorillapod

And strap your phone/camera to it. It could be secured in a number of places, like the driver headrest posts.

You make the video that demonstrates the issue and you upload it to Youtube and try to get enough of a buzz about it that it gets picked up on sites like F30post, Bimmerfest, etc, not to mention potentially getting attention from BMWCCA.

If the problem is as serious as has been described this is exactly the kind of negative press BMW does not want, which will motivate them to fix the issue, OR to release something about it being "normal" in which case people can decide for themselves if it is acceptable before making a purchase decision.
Im sure they are trying to find a fix, its obviously a serious issue and a lot more complicated than a software fix. It's a hardware issue. Bmw is helping me out but if someone else wants to do this and make a video that would be funny.
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Old 10-04-2012, 03:50 PM
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Im sure they are trying to find a fix, its obviously a serious issue and a lot more complicated than a software fix. It's a hardware issue. Bmw is helping me out but if someone else wants to do this and make a video that would be funny.
The problem is that not all users have reported the issue, but you've implied that it is present on all of the cars as you've not only experienced it on six F30 cars you've driven but an X3 with the same steering system as well.

If this is the case then BMW either needs to report that "this is how it is" or they will need to do some kind of massive recall....
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Old 10-04-2012, 03:58 PM
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The problem is that not all users have reported the issue, but you've implied that it is present on all of the cars as you've not only experienced it on six F30 cars you've driven but an X3 with the same steering system as well.

If this is the case then BMW either needs to report that "this is how it is" or they will need to do some kind of massive recall....
why would they do that? Just because i can find the problem doesn't mean others can. Maybe it is how it's supposed to be(which would be bs) but i have yet to drive an F30 that doesn't have the issue. My shop forman also has the issue on his F30
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why would they do that? Just because i can find the problem doesn't mean others can. Maybe it is how it's supposed to be(which would be bs) but i have yet to drive an F30 that doesn't have the issue. My shop forman also has the issue on his F30
If the problem is difficult enough to find that others "can't find it" then that would imply that the problem is only a problem if it rubs a particular person the wrong way.

I suspect that it is the way it is because that's the way it's supposed to be... but the problem identified in the previously cited TSB regarding out of round rims, etc, has exacerbated the issue in some cases to the point where it is very noticeable and objectionable.

In any event, good luck to those with the problem.... and I'm glad that I either don't have it, or don't care.
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why would they do that? Just because i can find the problem doesn't mean others can. Maybe it is how it's supposed to be(which would be bs) but i have yet to drive an F30 that doesn't have the issue. My shop forman also has the issue on his F30
You are just contradicting yourself.
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You are just contradicting yourself.
How so?

Also, to those that are having the issue, contact BMWNA and talk to them. they have been very helpful.

And to those thinking it's just me, go to the link i posted a few page back...20 page thread on f30post of owners having the same problem.

There is a difference between road feel and taking your hands off the wheel and watching the steering wheel shake(between 40-60). The wheel didnt shake in my e90's, it didnt shake in me E60's. Which leads me(and my shop forman) to believe it has to do with the electric steering.
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Is it just me or is the vibration better on sport mode compared to Eco mode?
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I am picking up my 328 Monday after 2 month wait. It will be tough turning it down if I find it has this problem. I have to believe bmw will make it right.
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I am picking up my 328 Monday after 2 month wait. It will be tough turning it down if I find it has this problem. I have to believe bmw will make it right.
Take a test drive at delivery to find out if you have the problem before you complete the deal then you can decide what to do depending what you find out . Good luck
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Old 10-05-2012, 08:55 AM
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Here is a crappy to capture the video this morning. I couldn't get everything in frame and will have my wife take some better video from the passenger seat.

http://s1154.photobucket.com/albums/...B53B295AB3.mp4

It's probably hard to tell since the camera itself is shaky, but mine has always been more of a tactile vs. visual shimmy. If you blindfolded me and put me behind the wheel, I could tell you within 1mph how fast we were going between 40-60mph based on the level of pulse I feel in the steering wheel. Any mph below 40 and above 60, and the wheel is dead silent.

(And my F30 is nowhere near my first BMW, so I am very familiar with how the Bavarians drive)
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Here is a crappy to capture the video this morning. I couldn't get everything in frame and will have my wife take some better video from the passenger seat.

http://s1154.photobucket.com/albums/...B53B295AB3.mp4

It's probably hard to tell since the camera itself is shaky, but mine has always been more of a tactile vs. visual shimmy. If you blindfolded me and put me behind the wheel, I could tell you within 1mph how fast we were going between 40-60mph based on the level of pulse I feel in the steering wheel. Any mph below 40 and above 60, and the wheel is dead silent.

(And my F30 is nowhere near my first BMW, so I am very familiar with how the Bavarians drive)
Ugh... that would annoy me to no end. My car arrives in NYC in two weeks... I sure hope this doesn't affect my 335. I did order ZDH, so maybe with VSS I'll be okay?
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Here is a crappy to capture the video this morning. I couldn't get everything in frame and will have my wife take some better video from the passenger seat.

http://s1154.photobucket.com/albums/...B53B295AB3.mp4

It's probably hard to tell since the camera itself is shaky, but mine has always been more of a tactile vs. visual shimmy. If you blindfolded me and put me behind the wheel, I could tell you within 1mph how fast we were going between 40-60mph based on the level of pulse I feel in the steering wheel. Any mph below 40 and above 60, and the wheel is dead silent.

(And my F30 is nowhere near my first BMW, so I am very familiar with how the Bavarians drive)
The vibration IS visible.
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BMWNA called me today to follow-up with me on my call to them last week. She apologized that I'm having this issue and was told that BMW is taking the steering wheel shaking issue very seriously. She also addressed my concerns about it being a safety issue - she said that there is no danger involved in driving my vehicle. She did say that this issue is being reported primarily by owners in Florida - which I couldn't believe. I told her that from the blogs I've read about this issue, there are people all over the country complaining about the steering wheel vibration. She said that she'd be contacting me Friday, the day after I take my car back to my BMW dealer. They are going to do a few other tests and open a puma report. She asked that I be patient and that they would keep me updated on this issue. I did however tell her that I'm not sure how long I'm going to be willing to be patient before I start the paperwork on claiming it under the Florida Lemon Law. We'll see how this goes.

Is everyone on this Post from Florida????????
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BMWNA called me today to follow-up with me on my call to them last week. She apologized that I'm having this issue and was told that BMW is taking the steering wheel shaking issue very seriously. She also addressed my concerns about it being a safety issue - she said that there is no danger involved in driving my vehicle. She did say that this issue is being reported primarily by owners in Florida - which I couldn't believe. I told her that from the blogs I've read about this issue, there are people all over the country complaining about the steering wheel vibration. She said that she'd be contacting me Friday, the day after I take my car back to my BMW dealer. They are going to do a few other tests and open a puma report. She asked that I be patient and that they would keep me updated on this issue. I did however tell her that I'm not sure how long I'm going to be willing to be patient before I start the paperwork on claiming it under the Florida Lemon Law. We'll see how this goes.

Is everyone on this Post from Florida????????
What concerns me is that if she is willing to fabricate a story that the issue is being reported "primarily by owners in Florida," she is just as likely to be blowing smoke when she says, "BMW is taking the steering wheel issue very seriously."
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I'm not from Florida...although it's a nice place to visit. AZ Bimmer here with steering wheel vibes. Haven't taken it back in since the latest TSB came out. I guess I should just so I can prove I've jumped through all the right hoops.
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I'm in MD and I also have the steering wheel vibration issue. I traded in my trusty 2006 e90 330i for a 2012 328 last month. I took it to the dealer last week, they rotated the tires, balanced the wheels and adjusted the alignment. Still not fixed, I'm headed back to the dealer soon.
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