October 2012 BMWFS Sales Support Programs

Originally Posted by mrjoed2

Thanks Justin,

Good info to have on the order question.

I have seen a few offers that can't be stacked with USAA, the drive for team USA for example. But I think most can such as option credits, holiday cash,ect. USAA fine print reads "This incentive can be combined with all current retail offers unless otherwise stated"

Also , do you happen to know anything about the production start for the new version of Idrive in the 6 series?

Officially no one knows that info currently. Speculation from different websites suggest that spring is the earliest we can see the new idrive for most vehicles.

Originally Posted by Justin@NCBMW

Officially...No

How about unofficially?

Some is known... take a look at something SS provided to me when I was asking about the new iDrive.

Originally Posted by shawnsheridan

Personally, I would be reluctant to buy any 2012 pre July build F10 without the new upgraded Navigation Pro and iDrive-ConnectedDrive system:

http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=716464
http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=716908
http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=691510

Next up after that is the fully configurable LCD gauge system on the next Facelifted F10 5 Series:

http://www.5seriesblog.com/2012/05/2...meter-display/

That may also include the the new iDrive Touch Controller that will first appear in the F2014 F15 X5:

http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=716469

You can't always sit on the sidelines waiting on new technology, and at some point you have to get into the game, but the upgraded iDrive system, which is basically here now, and the upcoming LCD Gauge display are pretty substantial improvements, and may be worth waiting for.

Originally Posted by NoI4plz

Officially no one knows that info currently. Speculation from different websites suggest that spring is the earliest we can see the new idrive for most vehicles.

Yeah I have read some of the same things. But the 5 & 7 series have it NOW - I have seen it and it is a nice improvement. And the 3 series gets it starting Nov. 6 series is one of the last - ridiculous given it's a flagship model.

Originally Posted by miamiboyca

Some is known... take a look at something SS provided to me when I was asking about the new iDrive.

Thanks - I think the LCD dash is slated for the '14 6 series, which means waiting for July '13 production likely (ugh)

Originally Posted by miamiboyca

Some is known... take a look at something SS provided to me when I was asking about the new iDrive.

Yes, agree - the new Idrive is worth waiting for. I find is frustrating that BMW keeps the rollout details so secret. No dealer I have spoken to has got back to me about official date I can order to get it in a 650. My thought is BMW does NOT want customers to know about new system -just order now and get the outdated system in a $85,000 car.

I don't think it that treacherous.. Lol

In my experience its the product team that decides when something goes into production. That idrive team team may have told the 6 series team that its ready to a certain point and perhaps the 6 series team is waiting on some enhancement (something in the road map) or something else completely to combine at same time of an update. The more pieces the more complex the planning and the smaller the item that can cause a delay.

And we know how Germans like to be precise so until they are sure they are ready, mums the word.

There is already a newer touch idrive that will probably start rolling out next fall or so. You will be outdated either way, might as well buy during the holiday season and enjoy the better rates or just wait for the 2014.

Originally Posted by miamiboyca

I don't think it that treacherous.. Lol

In my experience its the product team that decides when something goes into production. That idrive team team may have told the 6 series team that its ready to a certain point and perhaps the 6 series team is waiting on some enhancement (something in the road map) or something else completely to combine at same time of an update. The more pieces the more complex the planning and the smaller the item that can cause a delay.

And we know how Germans like to be precise so until they are sure they are ready, mums the word.

Yeah, but the cats out of the bag as the new version is in the 5 and 7 series on dealer lots now. And I might be wrong, but it's the same upgrade across the model range so the 6 team should not have to do much - just install the new hardware on the line.
I look at it this way - the newest hardware/tech should go into the line top down. 6 & 7 series first, 1 series last.

Originally Posted by djsaad1

There is already a newer touch idrive that will probably start rolling out next fall or so. You will be outdated either way, might as well buy during the holiday season and enjoy the better rates or just wait for the 2014.

Nope, rather be outdated 1 upgrade, not 2. This new version of idrive is the first full refresh to the system since 2008 by the way.

Originally Posted by mrjoed2

Nope, rather be outdated 1 upgrade, not 2. This new version of idrive is the first full refresh to the system since 2008 by the way.

ACTUALLY - Its not. Their is another upgrade in the pipe for touch and hand writing recognition. Could be the 7 and the 5 are testing grounds prior to going into the other lines.

Originally Posted by mrjoed2

Yeah, but the cats out of the bag as the new version is in the 5 and 7 series on dealer lots now. And I might be wrong, but it's the same upgrade across the model range so the 6 team should not have to do much - just install the new hardware on the line.
I look at it this way - the newest hardware/tech should go into the line top down. 6 & 7 series first, 1 series last.

There a lot of factors other factors including production numbers, interfaces with stereos etc. And you are entitled to your opinion but that has not been the case in many automakers.

Anyway this thread has gotten WAAAAY off track.

Jon - thanks for the finance info. I sign next week and can't wait for my short but awesome ED trip.

Originally Posted by miamiboyca

ACTUALLY - Its not. Their is another upgrade in the pipe for touch and hand writing recognition. Could be the 7 and the 5 are testing grounds prior to going into the other lines.



There a lot of factors other factors including production numbers, interfaces with stereos etc. And you are entitled to your opinion but that has not been the case in many automakers.

Anyway this thread has gotten WAAAAY off track.

Jon - thanks for the finance info. I sign next week and can't wait for my short but awesome ED trip.

I agree - but know one thing, I'm not ordering now, taking delivery of a $85,000 car in Dec and have it outdated by March.

Originally Posted by mrjoed2

I agree - but know one thing, I'm not ordering now, taking delivery of a $85,000 car in Dec and have it outdated by March.

Yet if you wait until March that car will be outdated by September. BMW might also decide to avoid bringing such a change mid year just to avoid people feeling this way.

Originally Posted by mrjoed2

I agree - but know one thing, I'm not ordering now, taking delivery of a $85,000 car in Dec and have it outdated by March.

I understand what you are saying, but if you are already going to wait, why not wait for the 2014 model just in case it gets the even newer idrive or lcd tachometer thing.

Originally Posted by thegandalf

Yet if you wait until March that car will be outdated by September. BMW might also decide to avoid bringing such a change mid year just to avoid people feeling this way.

Good point. I split the difference, went with the 2013 that has the new Idrive but passed up waiting on a 2014 that has been refreshed.

It's all what you can deal with, and how long will you wait.

Originally Posted by djsaad1

I understand what you are saying, but if you are already going to wait, why not wait for the 2014 model just in case it gets the even newer idrive or lcd tachometer thing.

Tough decision- one one hand not in a rush, but on the other hand the '14 won't start production likely till July, so now we are talking waiting until next Sept. Kind of crazy.

Originally Posted by miamiboyca

Good point. I split the difference, went with the 2013 that has the new Idrive but passed up waiting on a 2014 that has been refreshed.

It's all what you can deal with, and how long will you wait.

That's my gut feeling too. What is your dealer telling you timeframe wise as to when to place the order to get the new Idrive in a 6?

Originally Posted by mrjoed2

That's my gut feeling too. What is your dealer telling you timeframe wise as to when to place the order to get the new Idrive in a 6?

A 6??? I wish. Look at my signature I am getting a MY 13 next week, but its a 535i.

I decided not to get a 12, but there was no way I was going to wait a year for the refresh. I can wait a little but not that long.

Originally Posted by miamiboyca

A 6??? I wish. Look at my signature I am getting a MY 13 next week, but its a 535i.

I decided not to get a 12, but there was no way I was going to wait a year for the refresh. I can wait a little but not that long.

Sorry, didn't see it. You should be all set. my understanding is the new idrive is standard on all 5 series that started with July production.

Yep, one if the reasons I waited. Even thought the incentives on the 2012 made for a better deal.

Are the MF and residuals accurate on bmwconfig?

I think they are not. Go to www.ridewithg.com to find the latest MFs and residuals.
The residual values you will get are for a 36month 15k lease. Add 2% for a 12k or 3% for a 10k.

John recently posted a Pdf with all the residuals. It's very detailed.

Right now the base nf is. 00135

Originally Posted by rmorin49

Are the MF and residuals accurate on bmwconfig?

no, bmwconfig defaults to 0.00240 and a resid of 59%
current MF is 0.00135 across the board, resids vary by model.