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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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Old 10-07-2012, 04:02 PM
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Great Selling Piece for all the so called car experts , and critics who are always bashing BMW products , and saying they are so overpricec !!
While the OP's post is indeed interesting, it is completely irrelevant for the very simple reason that this effect applies to all auto brands, and so looking at it for BMW in isolation is meaningless. We have been getting a lot more car for our money in inflation adjusted dollars, and more with some brands than with others, and I wouldn't be surprised if BMW fell in the "others" category.

Just as an example, my 1985 Toyota Crapolla cost $9000 out the door in 1985. That's a little over $19K in 2012 dollars, which could afford me a much bigger Accord, with an extra 100+ Hp, ABS, stability control, traction control, airbags, automatic windows and locks, CD player, and god knows what else.

The only thing that really matters is present price relative to the competition.
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While the OP's post is indeed interesting, it is completely irrelevant for the very simple reason that this effect applies to all auto brands, and so looking at it for BMW in isolation is meaningless. We have been getting a lot more car for our money in inflation adjusted dollars, and more with some brands than with others, and I wouldn't be surprised if BMW fell in the "others" category.

Just as an example, my 1985 Toyota Crapolla cost $9000 out the door in 1985. That's a little over $19K in 2012 dollars, which could afford me a much bigger Accord, with an extra 100+ Hp, ABS, stability control, traction control, airbags, automatic windows and locks, CD player, and god knows what else.

The only thing that really matters is present price relative to the competition.
And Toyota and Honda don't make cars that are direct competitors to the 3er. Audi and Mercedes do.
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And Toyota and Honda don't make cars that are direct competitors to the 3er. Audi and Mercedes do.
Where did I say they do? I merely gave an example of how much more car you can buy for your money now compared to 25-30 years ago. My point is simply that your observation about BMW pricing extends beyond BMW and is a trend for the entire car industry.
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2013 F30 MSRP - $46,920
2009 E90 MSRP - $48,940 in 2012 dollars, $45,575 at the time
Even though it has more power, one can be a stickler here and point out we are comparing a 4-cyl with 6-cyl.

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Even though it has more power, once can be a stickler here and point out we are comparing a 4-cyl with 6-cyl.
The thread is addressing the very common misperception that occurs here virtually every year that the new model 3er has somehow experienced a dramatic increase in price that is making it no longer competitive in its market segment.
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bumped since there have been several price discussions lately.
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Sadly, most incomes have not kept up with the rate of inflation which is why the cars now feel more expensive. Many people buy their first bimmer in their 30's as their earning:expense hit a peak. Thereafter earnings go up slightly but expenses increase like crazy (usually just not because of inflation, but other things like a growing family).
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In my analysis, my F30 feature-for-feature and by performance was a helluva a deal compared to my e46 ZHP and e90 330i. Pretty much the pricing is holding the line.
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Sadly, most incomes have not kept up with the rate of inflation which is why the cars now feel more expensive. Many people buy their first bimmer in their 30's as their earning:expense hit a peak. Thereafter earnings go up slightly but expenses increase like crazy (usually just not because of inflation, but other things like a growing family).
Tell me about it. My salary has more than kept up with inflation. The problem I have is 2 kids going to college soon. My daughter is a Sr and she has already committed to an out of state school. $35,000 a year. $140,000 total. I'm paying all that with cash, no loans.

I'm trying to bribe my son to go to a state school instead. If I throw in a brand new Ford Mustang GT, I think he might agree to it. That could save me a ton of $$$$. Maybe like $30,000 / $40,000. But if he doesn't go along with it, that could be another $140,000 for a grand total of $280,000.

And then people ask me, "why didn't you get a 550 instead of a 335?"
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Why only report to 2004?

How about the 1980 BMW 320i? U.S. MSRP $11,465 and increased a lot every year resulting in high resale values. The car had a radio pointing up, very strange.
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Why only report to 2004?

How about the 1980 BMW 320i? U.S. MSRP $11,465 and increased a lot every year resulting in high resale values. The car had a radio pointing up, very strange.
In countries with very high inflation you can usually sell your car for more than you paid for it. Inflation in the early 80's was high...dropped considerably by the mid 80's.
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