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Old 10-05-2012, 10:41 AM
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Not exactly scientific, but an apparent 23 Deg C (73.4 Deg F) drop in Charge Air Temp is awesome.

In general this should be a good thing, but one must also consider the dew point of the air or you can and will get a rain maker into your intake.

You can find this out on dew point tables if you know Temp, RH and pressure.

Sounds very interesting.
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Old 10-05-2012, 12:18 PM
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Wagner kept my old intercooler. They are planning on placing it and the new 335d intercooler on a Flow Bench to test. This should show a lot of results. I also forgot to tell you these temps were at Full Throttle going from 15 mph up to about 120 mph. It was around 220 Kph we got up to very quickly. Also for the panel that requires removal is very easy to remove no cutting involved. Carsten will be making a install manual to go along with the install. The entire install takes 30 to 45 minutes.
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Old 10-06-2012, 12:39 PM
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Here's the latest info on the IC that was sent to DieselDiner:

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I just got back after the 11 hours trip with a 45 minute long traffic jamb and 1,160 kilometers to and from traveled.

This intercooler is awesome. Noticed a difference right away. Carsten the owner of Wagner and I did temperature checks before and after the new intercooler install. The old intercooler was reading around 64 degrees Celsius from the intercooler to the intake with an ambient outside air temp of 11 degrees Celsius. The new one had an outside air temp of 12 degrees Celsius and an awesome 41 degrees Celsius from the intercooler to the intake.

The new Wagner intercooler needed absolutely zero cutting of the front bumper to install. Just one piece of plastic had to be removed on the RH side of the intercooler. Carsten said that he would be posting photos. I will post them when I get a chance.

I left there around 1300 my time and around 0700 AM your time. Carsten also stated he was going to put in the word after I left to start production of 100 of them. Again this is a great addition to our already potent 335d engine.


Ok there it is, now BOMBARD Carsten WAGNER!! with questions!!
Excellent prelinary news!
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Old 10-07-2012, 08:07 PM
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For those wondering about voiding the warranty.. I asked a BMW tech, and he said it should only void the warranty to the intercooler and nothing else.
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Old 10-08-2012, 04:49 AM
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Magnusson-Moss Act, you can purchase or install any aftermarket that equals or exceed the performamce of an OEM part
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Old 10-08-2012, 11:03 AM
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The magnuson-moss act can be tough when it relates to aftermarket car parts, especially if the warranty provided will replace the part for free under the written warranty. It (the act) was written to keep OEM companies from requiring customers to pay for their "part" and voiding a warranty if the customer decided they wanted to buy another companies "part" that complied with their OEM's standards.

BMW warranties their OEM intercooler and will replace it free of charge while the car is under its warranty period. If you choose to install another companies intercooler and request warranty repair on "something" that is attached to the intercooler (like everything downstream of the intercooler), BMW has the right to deny warranty repair but they must demonstrate, and document in writing, that the other companies intercooler caused the problem to the part(s) you are trying to get replaced under warranty.

Also, the FTC has validated the right to install "aftermarket" parts, including specialty parts, on a vehicle:

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/cons...ts/alt192.shtm

But BMW can still void your warranty, or refuse service/parts free of charge under warranty, if they demonstrate and document that the aftermarket part was the cause of the damaged part(s) you are attempting to get repaired under warranty.


I'm no lawyer and I'm not saying that the Wagner Intercooler doesn't comply with BMW's OEM standards but the magnuson-moss act isn't a 100% safety blanket.

Just trying to help here, these things can get tricky
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Old 10-08-2012, 12:16 PM
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Vary true i for one would not use the aftetmarket part be used as warranty but i wouuld fight if BMW would try to void the rest of the other parts, i thank u for putting this great information
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Old 10-09-2012, 06:30 PM
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BTW the chances that BMW could demonstrate and document that this intercooler we are discussing was the cause of damage to other parts is HIGHLY unlikely. Just sayin'...
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Old 10-10-2012, 02:55 AM
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Mflambert thats true but knowing the scrubs that they are at times,we the consumers need be adept intelligence wise how to handle this situation whenever it arises

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Old 10-10-2012, 05:21 AM
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Does Wagner have an IC for X5d as well? Do they have a web site?
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Old 10-10-2012, 05:54 AM
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@finnbmw Carsten told us that they will produce for the 335d's 100 ICs and then move Forward on the X5d eventually. they are doing DATA testing and will provide info in the nearby future, ok.

If you want to know send thm an email, they usually respond promptly.
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Old 10-10-2012, 06:22 AM
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OK, thanks!
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Old 10-11-2012, 08:27 AM
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ok Amigos just emailed me with the latets info and DATA with price for the IC
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Old 10-11-2012, 08:36 AM
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I sent 62Lincoln an email with the files so that he can load them up in the site ok amigos!!
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Old 10-11-2012, 11:18 AM
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Some new pictures, showing the factory unit alongside the Wagner unit. The last picture was taken from below Matt's car showing the unit mounted:





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Old 10-11-2012, 11:23 AM
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This image is a graphic representation of the temperature deltas that were reported by Matt on the day of installation. Not new information, but the info presented in a graphic format:

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Old 10-11-2012, 11:27 AM
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Amigo the photos did not come thru!!!
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Old 10-11-2012, 11:46 AM
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About a 45f drop. Very impressive!
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Old 10-11-2012, 11:53 AM
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here's the email he sent me:

mit freundlichen Grüßen / best Regards

Carsten Wagner

Von: Wagner-Tuning [mailto:info@wagner-tuning.de]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 7. Oktober 2012 15:55
An: 'Axel Hernandez'
Betreff: AW: AW: 335d Intercooler



Hello axel,



every went fine on Friday. Intercooler fits like a glove. We had a temperature drop of aprox. 23°.

We are going into Production now.



Thanks.


Here is the facebook message today:

Wagner Tuning USA
what about renntech?

yes, you can post it...

people want believe it mostlym because we did it by ourself

but Matt, was here abd he has seen it in person :-)
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Old 10-11-2012, 06:45 PM
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So I was on the Wagner Tuning website adding the IC to my cart and something caught my eye and gave me an idea:



Why not try for a group buy?
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Old 10-11-2012, 10:30 PM
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Old 10-12-2012, 05:01 AM
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as far as I am concerned either MArk or Nick from WAGNER mentioned to me as well as 62Lincoln a group buy, IM IN!!!!
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Old 10-12-2012, 12:56 PM
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This is the message I got from NICK

Wagner Tuning USA Jonathan Ruan we will have them here in the US in 45 days!! email me your contact info and I can keep you updated on it. Here my email nick@wagner-tuning.com
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Excellent news! Thank for you staying on top of this and providing the great communication!
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Old 10-22-2012, 08:13 PM
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