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Old 09-23-2012, 04:26 PM
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A8L vs 740Li (36 month lease)

Trying to justify the price difference from a 740Li and A8L....

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740Li v6 USA PRICE
53% at 15k @ 0.00145

88,000 MSRP
4,000 -Dealer Discount
750- Loyalty
700 -App
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$83,550 Cost $1,214 Month +tax

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740Li ED PRICE
53% at 15k @ 0.00175

88,000 MSRP
10,000 -Dealer Discount (Ed +1k)
750- Loyalty
700 -App
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$76,550 Cost, $1,046 Month +tax

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A8L USA PRICE
51% at 15k @ 0.00078

88,000 MSRP
10,000 -Dealer Discount
3,000 -Conquest Rebate
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$75,000 Cost, $930 Month +tax

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Old 09-23-2012, 09:57 PM
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Depends on what options you are getting on both. I test drove an A8 on Saturday, and the comfort seats, B&O sound system, google maps, and overall quietness of the vehicle were very impressive. The only killer for me is no Heads Up Display. Its something you don't miss til you have it, then realize how much you use it. Id say go with the A8 imo (with the above mentioned options)
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That lease price is awfully high, can do much better.
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Old 09-24-2012, 01:20 PM
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That lease price is awfully high, can do much better.
Yea

Keep negotiating, go to another dealership and have them fight it out.

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Old 09-24-2012, 05:45 PM
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At this point I would take an A8 for $100 extra
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Old 09-24-2012, 07:51 PM
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that's very high for that 740li lease. Check out some other dealerships. I got my 750li lease for less than they quoted you for the 740li.
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Old 09-26-2012, 04:00 PM
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firstly your BMW dealership is ripping you off. Based on the numbers you have given your cost/month including tax should be <$1225/month with zero cap.

The residuals on 750 are a lot better. Why are you going for a 740?




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Trying to justify the price difference from a 740Li and BMEA8L....

What am I missing??



740Li v6 USA PRICE
53% at 15k @ 0.00145

88,000 MSRP
4,000 -Dealer Discount
750- Loyalty
700 -App
---------------------
$83,550 Cost $1,214 Month +tax

vs

740Li ED PRICE
53% at 15k @ 0.00175

88,000 MSRP
10,000 -Dealer Discount (Ed +1k)
750- Loyalty
700 -App
---------------------
$76,550 Cost, $1,046 Month +tax

vs

A8L USA PRICE
51% at 15k @ 0.00078

88,000 MSRP
10,000 -Dealer Discount
3,000 -Conquest Rebate
---------
$75,000 Cost, $930 Month +tax
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Old 09-26-2012, 05:14 PM
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Old 09-26-2012, 07:25 PM
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Go with the A8.
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The 2% residual difference is severely negated by:

$11,000 more cost
$ 1,000 gas guzzler tax


Thus the 750 has comparatively 43% residual payment verses the 740.

While more "fun" to drive.... I know.
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Old 09-27-2012, 04:56 PM
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The lease payment on my wife's 740i M-Sport is less than $900/month...
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FYI - the 740 has an inline six, not a V6. First post seems to indicate OP thinks the 740 has a V6. The inline six is an inherently balanced engine design. The V6 is not. There is no design that is better balanced than an inline six.
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FYI - the 740 has an inline six, not a V6. First post seems to indicate OP thinks the 740 has a V6. The inline six is an inherently balanced engine design. The V6 is not. There is no design that is better balanced than an inline six.
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Totally agree. Had 2 A8 2007& 2010
Not even close to BMW in every standpoint and it looks old already.
Also you can get more power +40-80hp from n55 with simple upgrade.
That engine is brilliant
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Totally agree. Had 2 A8 2007& 2010
Not even close to BMW in every standpoint and it looks old already.
Also you can get more power +40-80hp from n55 with simple upgrade.
That engine is brilliant
Well the new 2013 740 has the N55, the 2012 and before have the N54. Im not familiar with the modding of those engines, but are you talking about Dinan upgrades?
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Old 10-09-2012, 02:02 AM
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Well the new 2013 740 has the N55, the 2012 and before have the N54. Im not familiar with the modding of those engines, but are you talking about Dinan upgrades?
N55 is better, but n54 is not much worse. Dinan is just a rip off. There lots of good brands like JB, Vishnu etc. You can get 400hp out of this engine if you need it. My neighbor installed JB and it's totally safe and very easy to disconnect, his 535 feels awesome now!! Cost him 700$ smth
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I'm not a big fan of Audi's; I owned two and currently have the S5 which has given me oil burning problems since I purchased it and a problem that Audi refuses to address. And I agree with the A8 looking "old", it's the same issue with the A6 which is a very dull car.
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I'm not a big fan of Audi's; I owned two and currently have the S5 which has given me oil burning problems since I purchased it and a problem that Audi refuses to address. And I agree with the A8 looking "old", it's the same issue with the A6 which is a very dull car.
Eek, about 6 months ago, a neighbor (in his S5) way down the cul-de-sac at the end lost his transmission at the entrance to our street. He was waiting for a tow truck, that sucks it was pretty new

I like the look of the A/S 5, 7, and 8's but Audi's questionable reliability is what is keeping me away. Although I've had issues with my 7, it's never left me stranded (knock on wood).
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I think it's safe to say all the luxury brands have issues. I was thinking about the getting the A7 before I got my 7 series but didn't like the rear of the A7 but mind you the A7 with the s-line package looks amazing.
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Although I've had issues with my 7, it's never left me stranded (knock on wood).
That should be the norm - for any car - not the exception. The fact that we need to sometimes excuse our cars since they are so poweful, technically advanced etc. is to me just excuses for poor design, execution or testing. If some wizz bang new technology is not ready for production, don't rush it out - hold it back for the next car.
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And I agree with the A8 looking "old", it's the same issue with the A6 which is a very dull car.
You also need to think a little globally. Which is Audi's major market for the A6 ang A8? I think if you consider that likely the Chinese market is the largest, then you'll understand Audi's approach to styling, and to some extent, BMW's. Chinese, by and large, are not into cutting edge, swooping and sporty forms.

Audi is going to sell over 400K cars in China this year. The USA in 2011 was less than 120K.

Who know's in a few years, if you want cutting edge design, you may need to buy a Cadillac. Since the Germans may be designing to the Chinese instead of the Americans and Europeans.
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I didn't purchase anything yet...and my lease runs out this weekend! Might just rent a car until the end of December for end of year deals.

I took a test drive in the A8L and it was nice but just not sporty enough for me. The rear legroom seemed a little cramped....but it was quiet and one smooth ride.

I also didn't like the NAV control wheel being so high on the dash. Unlike then A6/7 and BMWs, you couldn't use it with your arm on the middle armrest....
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You also need to think a little globally. Which is Audi's major market for the A6 ang A8? I think if you consider that likely the Chinese market is the largest, then you'll understand Audi's approach to styling, and to some extent, BMW's. Chinese, by and large, are not into cutting edge, swooping and sporty forms.

Audi is going to sell over 400K cars in China this year. The USA in 2011 was less than 120K.

Who know's in a few years, if you want cutting edge design, you may need to buy a Cadillac. Since the Germans may be designing to the Chinese instead of the Americans and Europeans.
I can't really agree with your assessment.

Germans do not design their cars for any specific market (I am speaking about the overall design language, not specific options or engine variants) and DEFINITELY NOT for the Chinese.

German car makers, like Audi, BMW and Mercedes are quite consistent in the evolution of their designs.

I maybe subjective on the issue of what you call "cutting edge", but think that Cadillac is definitely not it.
I admire them for having rediscovered and rebuilt their brand (and move away from the 1990 GM junk) and being able to offer a product that can compete internationally.

In my view, they have finally caught up technically and putting out a fine product for the money, but I don't think anything is cutting edge (other than the sharp edges of their lights, that is . Love or hate design in my view).

While I don't care much for the Audi designs, I find the cars very modern and quite a bit more interesting than VW's, which share much of their internals. They just don't age very gracefully. The S5 looks very cool though

My "subjective" 2 cents

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Germans do not design their cars for any specific market (I am speaking about the overall design language, not specific options or engine variants) and DEFINITELY NOT for the Chinese.
OK - so BMW will make the 3 series and 5 series LWB, and Audi will make the A4 and A6 LWB, especially for the Chinese market - their biggest market, in the case of Audi, but they won't make their designs desirable for that market? So let's engineer our cars for that market, but not the design? The largest market for the 7 series is already China. 40-50% of A8s are sold in China. And the trend looks like continuing rather than weakening in the near future. Remember, the worldwide need for things like cupholders were driven by the USA - largest market at the time. That honor is now China's. And Chinese tastes are more divergent than American ones.

"BMW this week admitted the more supple suspension in its 7-Series limousine was chosen largely for China, where most owners travel in the back seat." - http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor...806-23phn.html

Other articles:
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012...chinese-tastes
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e4ee68e8-6...#axzz29WxqK2Bo - When Mercedes-Benz set out to design a new S-Class luxury saloon, to hit showrooms in 2014, Daimler flew 100 Chinese consumers to customer clinics in Germany and the US to ensure they had input in the car's design."
http://bottomline.nbcnews.com/_news/...-next-car?lite

It's not all bad - Chinese food is one of the most universally liked, so it may go to reason that Chinese tastes in cars will be universally accepted .
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OK - so BMW will make the 3 series and 5 series LWB, and Audi will make the A6 LWB, especially for the Chinese market - their biggest market, in the case of Audi, but they won't make their designs desirable for that market? So let's engineer our cars for that market, but not the design? The largest market for the 7 series is already China. And the trend looks like continuing rather than weakening in the near future. Remember, the worldwide need for things like cupholders were driven by the USA - largest market at the time. That honor is now China's. And Chinese tastes are more divergent than American ones.

"BMW this week admitted the more supple suspension in its 7-Series limousine was chosen largely for China, where most owners travel in the back seat." - http://news.drive.com.au/drive/motor...806-23phn.html

Other articles:
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012...chinese-tastes
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e4ee68e8-6...#axzz29WxqK2Bo - When Mercedes-Benz set out to design a new S-Class luxury saloon, to hit showrooms in 2014, Daimler flew 100 Chinese consumers to customer clinics in Germany and the US to ensure they had input in the car's design."
http://bottomline.nbcnews.com/_news/...-next-car?lite

It's not all bad - Chinese food is one of the most universally liked, so it may go to reason that Chinese tastes in cars will be universally accepted .

Good articles. Thanks!

I would, however, consider a long wheel base in smaller models just that; a variant for a specific market.
It doesn't impact the overall design language of the brand.

The cup-holder example is a good one as German cars are known to sport the lousiest cup-holders known to man.
In an engineering-centric country, those appear to be designed merely as a "hate-to but have-to" feature can often be quickly removed (like on the 7 series )

I am surprised, however, of how dramatically BMW has given up on their longstanding principle of building well-balanced chassis with tight suspension, steering and lots of road feel.
I am now getting more steering feedback on a Mercedes and the cars are about the heaviest in their segment.
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