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Old 01-26-2011, 05:25 AM
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they flushed your DEF or top it off ??
according to my SA they flushed and filled, I asked which was done and he assured me it was flushed and filled. told him I just wanted to know as I had heard both so dont think he had any reason to not be truthful
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Old 10-08-2012, 03:43 PM
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I have driven BMW's since 1985 and have had 3's, 5's, and most recently a 7. However my current 335d is by far the most fun BMW I have ever had. I love this car and it surprises everyone. The US consumers knowledge of diesel is minimal, and given the chance to drive this car, most would take it. A beautiful and satisfying car.
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Old 10-08-2012, 04:37 PM
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I have driven BMW's since 1985 and have had 3's, 5's, and most recently a 7. However my current 335d is by far the most fun BMW I have ever had. I love this car and it surprises everyone. The US consumers knowledge of diesel is minimal, and given the chance to drive this car, most would take it. A beautiful and satisfying car.
Badger, I started this thread over 3 years ago! It was the first to speak to the Diesels. I thought this thread was dead and buried by now. Glad you found it, but we have many more subject specific threads where you can post.

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Old 10-09-2012, 08:48 AM
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Ya 3 years have gone by and us 335d owners have become the rare breed as the 335d is now discontinued here in NA.
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Old 10-09-2012, 08:56 AM
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Ya 3 years have gone by and us 335d owners have become the rare breed as the 335d is now discontinued here in NA.
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Old 10-09-2012, 01:27 PM
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Perhaps a "classic" like the '67 524td -- both lasted a couple of years and didn't sell all that well inspite of being excellent performers. I still maintain if BMW had stuffed that 35d in the 5 series it would still be going strong.
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Old 10-09-2012, 03:11 PM
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Old 10-09-2012, 03:15 PM
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Perhaps a "classic" like the '67 524td -- both lasted a couple of years and didn't sell all that well inspite of being excellent performers. I still maintain if BMW had stuffed that 35d in the 5 series it would still be going strong.
The engine was just a "proof of concept" for the U.S. market a plot to educate American buyers that diesel was a good (and powerful) alternative. Now that we are "sold" the engines that follow will be much less "performance" and more "economy" kinda sucks.

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Old 10-09-2012, 03:21 PM
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The engine was just a "proof of concept" for the U.S. market a plot to educate American buyers that diesel was a good (and powerful) alternative. Now that we are "sold" the engines that follow will be much less "performance" and more "economy" kinda sucks.

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That does suck and have to wonder if it really "sold" enough people. I got "sold" on diesels back during m maritime engineering days. I got "sold" on a BMW diesel because of the performance. If I wanted an economical diesel I'd just buy a VW and also save on cost of getting into a car for transportation. But I am probably far from the typical BMW buyer, so BMW could care less what I think.
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Old 10-09-2012, 03:24 PM
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That does suck and have to wonder if it really "sold" enough people. I got "sold" on diesels back during m maritime engineering days. I got "sold" on a BMW diesel because of the performance. If I wanted an economical diesel I'd just buy a VW and also save on cost of getting into a car for transportation. But I am probably far from the typical BMW buyer, so BMW could care less what I think.
BMW cares... they realize that enthusiasts don't really buy many cars, but they influence those who do.

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Old 10-09-2012, 03:54 PM
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The engine was just a "proof of concept" for the U.S. market a plot to educate American buyers that diesel was a good (and powerful) alternative. Now that we are "sold" the engines that follow will be much less "performance" and more "economy" kinda sucks.

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MIke, how confident are you about follow up BMW diesel models for US?

on your x5 diesel.
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:17 PM
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MIke, how confident are you about follow up BMW diesel models for US?

on your x5 diesel.
I've had many one-on-one conversations with the executives, including dinner and lunch with BMWNA's CEO (Ludwig) in late August. While everyone is very careful to not disclose any future products (at least on the record), they are always good to drop hints... that said, fairly confident.

However, things in this industry change overnight! That tsunami in Japan killed quite a few programs for many automakers (e.g., it completely wiped-out the planet's supply of back-up cameras!), BMW included.

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Old 10-10-2012, 07:45 AM
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+1! "I love the smell of (diesel) in the morning, it smells like freedom"! So Mike, how are you coping with the $6.00+ a gallon in SoCal these days? Kinda Sucks doesn't it!
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Old 10-10-2012, 07:49 AM
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+1! "I love the smell of (diesel) in the morning, it smells like freedom"! So Mike, how are you coping with the $6.00+ a gallon in SoCal these days? Kinda Sucks doesn't it!
Driving the d more? Diesel in my neck of the woods is $0.20 cheaper than unleaded regular.... In the recent run-up, diesel prices didn't move, while gas prices moved hourly.
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Old 10-12-2012, 06:58 AM
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Prices starting to inch back down -- not nearly as fast as they went up however! Diesel is holding steady while the gas moves down (slightly). Just seems like a huge rip off to me!
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Old 10-12-2012, 07:06 AM
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Prices starting to inch back down -- not nearly as fast as they went up however! Diesel is holding steady while the gas moves down (slightly). Just seems like a huge rip off to me!
Does the diesel in California have to burn cleaner than other states? Like how the gasoline does. If not then I'd imagine that is why diesel did not surge as bad as gasoline.

Seems limiting where the gasoline can be supplied from is always going to be a sure fire way for spikes to happen. BTW I recall 1-2 years ago Chevron was debating pulling out of the refinery in Richmond due to all the hassles/restrictions/problems from local/state government agencies. If they ever did decide to do that then I bet fuel costs in the state will skyrocket even more so. As I understand it that one single refinery supplies around 15% of the states gasoline needs.

Of course the counter argument could simply be just make the rest of the country need the same cleaner burning fuels so that more refineries produce it and the costs of fuel is more equalized across the states.
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Old 10-12-2012, 10:29 AM
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Does the diesel in California have to burn cleaner than other states? Like how the gasoline does. If not then I'd imagine that is why diesel did not surge as bad as gasoline.

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Of course the counter argument could simply be just make the rest of the country need the same cleaner burning fuels so that more refineries produce it and the costs of fuel is more equalized across the states.
Ironically- our state is one of the few (along with California) that has additional requirements for diesel. Both Texas and CA require fuel with max 10% aromatics content, and additionally TX requires a cetane of at least 48 in the heavily populated parts of the state (affecting the both of us).

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Old 10-12-2012, 10:31 AM
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Ironically- our state is one of the few (along with California) that has additional requirements for diesel. Both Texas and CA require fuel with max 10% aromatics content, and additionally TX requires a cetane of at least 48 in the heavily populated parts of the state (affecting the both of us).

http://www.chevronwithtechron.com/ca...q/default.aspx
That is a major hurdle for automakers it really sucks testing all the different fuels offered in the States (I just took a tour of VW Group's brand-new emissions lab in Oxnard, CA).

We need one diesel fuel standard for all 50 states.

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Ironically- our state is one of the few (along with California) that has additional requirements for diesel. Both Texas and CA require fuel with max 10% aromatics content, and additionally TX requires a cetane of at least 48 in the heavily populated parts of the state (affecting the both of us).

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I wonder if meeting those requirements is as hard a process as it is to meet the gasoline requirements they have.
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That is a major hurdle for automakers - it really sucks testing all the different fuels offered in the States (I just took a tour of VW Group's brand-new emissions lab in Oxnard, CA).

We need one diesel fuel standard for all 50 states.

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All automakers that sell diesels in the US will call out ASTM D975 as the minimum standard for the fuel used in their vehicles. Certain states like CA & TX have additional requirements for fuel sold in some areas. There is no additional burden on the automakers regarding the fuel except that vehicles sold here must be able to tolerate inferior lubricity and 40 cetane.

When Euro VI emission standards come out in 2014 then both continents will have very similar standards. My hope is that this will allow automakers to at least consider selling more diesels over here. Of course the biggest factor will be how the US market receives diesel offerings. Another influence will be the 54.5 mpg CAFE target and how automakers will reach that goal. Diesels are one way of getting there.

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All automakers that sell diesels in the US will call out ASTM D975 as the minimum standard for the fuel used in their vehicles. Certain states like CA & TX have additional requirements for fuel sold in some areas. There is no additional burden on the automakers regarding the fuel except that vehicles sold here must be able to tolerate inferior lubricity and 40 cetane.

When Euro VI emission standards come out in 2014 then both continents will have very similar standards. My hope is that this will allow automakers to at least consider selling more diesels over here. Of course the biggest factor will be how the US market receives diesel offerings. Another influence will be the 54.5 mpg CAFE target and how automakers will reach that goal. Diesels are one way of getting there.
I sure hope.

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