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E24 (1976 - 1989)
The BMW 6 Series (E24) was the first variant of the 6 series produced by BMW from 1976 through 1989.

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Old 08-23-2012, 02:19 PM
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Howdy Guys - new owner -1985 635 CSI Euro

Hi Guys,

I wanted to introduce myself and say hi and of course tell you about my car. I now own a really nice Euro Shark - 1985 635 CSI - in Burgunrot (burgundy metalic) with a llama beige interior with perfect dash and rear pods for the speakers. Original carpets in fantastic shape and seats also in unbelievable condition. The paint has to be, for a 27 year old car, absolutely as good as one could expect - a 9 out of 10 imho. It's not perfect, as in no stone chips at all but it has very few and few blemishes. The wheels are 17" later model sport wheels off a 5 series. The brightwork is fabulous. I paid what I consider a pretty premium price at 8200 but I have also spent about that much on deferred maintenance but that includes a new stereo - still have the original radio/stereo - and a new power antenna. It has new tires - no curb rash on the wheels. I do not have the original TRX wheels. It has the sport seats and dogleg shift pattern tranny. I have done everything it needed and the biggies are; AC completely reconditioned w/ rebuilt compressor, new evaporator and drier and set up with 134a, new front shocks, new power booster, new master/slave, idller arms, bushings front and rear, new fan switch and regulator replaced, so it now works perfectly on the infinitely variable fan switch, The stereo is a Kenwood - high option stereo and all new speakers in original spots - in other words it looks completely stock, Hoses. I'm sure I'm leaving things out - but you get the gist.

The work was performed by Buckhead Motor Works in case anyone is familiar with Atlanta and the best BMW independants. It really needs nothing and I replaced the steering wheel with a really almost perfect Mtech stock steering wheel and I out sourced a beautiful wood mahogony shift knob. It works really well and is an absolute joy to drive. Only thing I wish I had done was put in HR springs and Bilstein sport shocks but it's not bad.

I was at the Bimmerfest this year in Winston Salem - some of you that were there may remember the car. I was hanging in the parking lot at the Hotel in downtown. Went on the rally drive out to the vinyard. What fun that run was. I followed my buddy Roy Wick.

I bought this car earlier this year and some may have seen it then - was on line for about 2 days when I saw and decided to make an offer apparently that the owner couldn't refuse.

What do you guys think? I'm now the 3rd owner, the second owner had it for about 2 years and the original owner of course had it most of it's life and was a Pan Am pilot - it still has the Pan Am sticker in the front window. He bought it in Germany and kept it there the first 4 years of it's life. It's been taken fairly good care of and now it is in top notch condition. It has a little over 100k miles.

Tim

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Old 08-24-2012, 10:39 AM
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Hey Guys,

I know that I just posted this yesterday but I also posted on the new member intro site here as well - lots of people look but no one says howdy? Not a peep - like your car - looks nice - nada - is that kind of the mindset here? Just curious as to what to expect from members commradery, etc.

I just joined and have posted once to a guy wanting to know about what to do about a 90k mile late mode 6 series. Guess people are really busy here.

Anyway - thanks for looking at least.
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Old 08-25-2012, 09:31 AM
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Hey Guys,

I know that I just posted this yesterday but I also posted on the new member intro site here as well - lots of people look but no one says howdy? Not a peep - like your car - looks nice - nada - is that kind of the mindset here? Just curious as to what to expect from members commradery, etc.

I just joined and have posted once to a guy wanting to know about what to do about a 90k mile late mode 6 series. Guess people are really busy here.

Anyway - thanks for looking at least.
Howdy Tim. Very nice car! Keep up the good work.
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Old 08-28-2012, 01:43 AM
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Hi there I'm Peter from the United Kingdom, I'm a semi retired BMW repair specialist and I post answers on Bimmerfest and I also own a 1986 Euro rhd 635 csi and I would like to extend a warm welcome to you on Bimmerfest, A very good friend of mine lived in Atlanta and he bought a mint condition 1989 636 csi lhd which he had shipped over to the UK when he returned home and I look after it for him, I started working on the six series when they first came out in the UK in around 1976 / 1977, Please keep in touch, Peter.
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Old 08-28-2012, 08:52 AM
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Hi there I'm Peter from the United Kingdom, I'm a semi retired BMW repair specialist and I post answers on Bimmerfest and I also own a 1986 Euro rhd 635 csi and I would like to extend a warm welcome to you on Bimmerfest, A very good friend of mine lived in Atlanta and he bought a mint condition 1989 636 csi lhd which he had shipped over to the UK when he returned home and I look after it for him, I started working on the six series when they first came out in the UK in around 1976 / 1977, Please keep in touch, Peter.
HEy Peter,

That's a nice welcome if I've ever read one! Thanks a bunch - I was beginning to think no one really paid attention here to new comers. Glad there are a few here that do! I don't really feel like a new comer to BMWs as I've had many - my first was a 320i - seafoam green/tan vinyl - cherry and I really loved that one - got totaled by a yoyo running a red light downtown Atlanta. Sad day that was. Next was a 325 es and I really liked it too - white with tan vinyl - yeah they didn't put leather in back in those days unless it was specail ordered I guess. Next came the 325is and it was nother improvement over the last 2 - ac and it was white/black leather - nice but I swore off black interiors after that - too hard to keep clean - dirt is not black. Next was a really fine one a 2002 5 series - white /tan leather - that was so nice - wish I hadn't sold it - but I went off on a Porsche jag. Now I needed something a little less expensive - so I got this really beautiful "shark". Man it is hard to find one as nice as the one I have - they are out there.

This year at the Vintage up in Winston Salem I saw some really nice cars of all kinds but I'll say this - I ddn't see another regular shark - not the Ms cause there were 2 of those that were really perfect, that I would have traded mine for - not one. It is hard from what I am finding out to find one iwth original paint like mine that is in such almost perfect shape - and the interior is too - amazing really. Now you can spend a bunch fixing them up mechanically and I have but in the end you get this really nice smooth running car that is a joy to drive AND look at. So I'm happy really - I actually for the firs time in a long while can't think of another car, that I can afford right now, that I would rather have. Sure you can get later model 3 series convertibles and other later model cars as well that are in nice shape and cost about the same - but my 635 CSI which is a number delete belive it or not, is very well sorted - now is that the end of mechanical issues - maybe not - something will be needed I'm sure in the next year but hey - so what - so you fix it. What other car will give you anymore cruizing pleasure than an older 6 series. They really are nice cars.

BMW makes a nice car - they are better now than ever and I swore I wouldn't go back in time ever again - but here I am back in the 80's. But you know what - I have about 16k in my car and everything works. What else can I have, in the vintage catagory that is, that I'd like any better - maybe an E30 - it may be a little sportier and capable of more fun in the twisties and I love a good romp in the twisties as much as anyone but it's nice to just cruize sometimes. That's what you do mostly anyway unless you're a big track guy - I'm not - don't have the time or I would - I think. It's just nice to drive around in a car that is as beautiful as the old or should I say first of the 6 series cars. The beginning - still pretty much handmade back then like a lot of German cars - like the old 911s. I like them too - just didn't want to go there this time.

All my cars really are but a temporary stop for some fun and enjoyment - then on to another - kind of like a bee to flowers. I know I'll have another - and if I got an offer for mine that I had a hard time refusing I might take it but right now I am very happy with it. I can only have one at a time - so I drive one a few years - fix it up - and pass it on to the next "steward" and then find another fun experience. It's a way to have a lot of fun for not too much money. At least that's the way it seems to me.

Thanks again for writing Peter and I hope that other gain a little perspective from what I write and after all, isn't it as much about the people you meet along the way as it is the type of car you drive?

So long for now...

Tim
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Old 08-29-2012, 12:32 AM
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Hi Tim, I'm posting some information which could save you a lot of money, The engine in your six is called an m30 engine and they are prone to camshaft lobes wearing out mainly on either ends which is caused by oil starvation but not many people know the real reason for it and it is a very simple repair, I've posted a pic of the spraybar banjo's and as you will see I have milled a 2 mm deep groove around the oil outlet hole area which you can compare to the un milled right hand banjo. The problem is is that there are only three oil outlet holes so it is impossible for oil to flow out of the banjo's properly to lube the camshaft but by milling a groove in them it cures the problem, I'm surprised that BMW never sussed this out. So all you need to do is to buy two new banjo's and four washers and get an engineering shop to mill them and then get your BMW indie to fit them, Another tip is to always make sure that your engine cooling fan viscouse coupling is working properly, If it is not have it replaced before you over heat the engine, Peter.
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Old 08-29-2012, 06:06 AM
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Hi Tim, I'm posting some information which could save you a lot of money, The engine in your six is called an m30 engine and they are prone to camshaft lobes wearing out mainly on either ends which is caused by oil starvation but not many people know the real reason for it and it is a very simple repair, I've posted a pic of the spraybar banjo's and as you will see I have milled a 2 mm deep groove around the oil outlet hole area which you can compare to the un milled right hand banjo. The problem is is that there are only three oil outlet holes so it is impossible for oil to flow out of the banjo's properly to lube the camshaft but by milling a groove in them it cures the problem, I'm surprised that BMW never sussed this out. So all you need to do is to buy two new banjo's and four washers and get an engineering shop to mill them and then get your BMW indie to fit them, Another tip is to always make sure that your engine cooling fan viscouse coupling is working properly, If it is not have it replaced before you over heat the engine, Peter.
Hey Peter,

Man that's interesting. I've heard that the banjo bolts come loose and I've addressed that with a special type banjo bolt that has a little locktite on it, but I've never heard of the issue you bring up here. My inde says these engines will go 300k miles. I will show him this little diddy. That surely seems like an easy enough fix. I have a feeling I need to see him anyway.

I replaced my power booster earlier this year when I got the car (expensive). But I when I first crank it up and it's a bit cold there is a little vibrations when I turn the wheel - which makes me think of the power steering unit itself (another expensive thing)- I'd like your opinion on that if you have time. The other little thing I notice is a bit of a balky second gear untill it warms up. I say balky - I understand the 2 part shift extremely well - being an old Porsche guy and old British car guy too I know balky. It goes in but you have to know the gear box - bring it into neutral - feel the gate of the next gear - apply a little pressure and it goes in - but it's a little balky as in doesn't really like to go in till it's warmed up. It's warm here in the southeastern US so in the summer it's not much of an issue - it works for me but then I'm as I said well versed in the 2 part shift. Other young guys that know only the more modern versions of the gtrag tranny would not get it. Might think there was something wrong with the tranny.

Now before you might say it's the shift bushings - I replaced all that. So it shifts as well as it can without removing the tranny and doing some more major type work - which it really doesn't need. It's that dog leg shift pattern of the Euro tranny and not the US version typical H pattern. I don't mind it - kind of makes it even more cool to me. I don't have a problem with it really and if I'm driving in the winter I just take it easy and shift into 3rd from 1rst till it warms for about 5 mins or so. I was wondering if maybe there was a tranny fluid that might make it better - I'm not sure what they use at my inde shop. Any thoughts - if this is too much on this page - I can writie you a pm and we can carry on that way unless you get piles of pm's and don't want the headache. I'd love to pick your brain on things but my car is pretty darned sorted.

The tranny has been out under the original owner and syncros were replaced. So I don't think they should be a problem. I really just think it's the nature of this tranny.

I'm really more concerned about the power steering module at the moment - I remember my inde saying that he could do something with the resevoir or ....over my head really - some kind of flush but I'm not sure - this I hope you can speak too.

Peter it is very nice of you to be so kind and helpful. I do appreciate it - this is why forums are so great for those that understand the benefits and knowledge that lays "hidden" till someone like you volunteers info. Thanks a bunch!

Tim
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Old 08-30-2012, 12:05 AM
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Hi Tim, re your steering vibration, First I would check that you do not have a slipping pas belt when it's cold, Re your gearbox, I worked on a lot of BMW's when they first stated to use 5 speed boxes and it was noticed that they didn't change well when cold and back then there was a lack of good modern types of gearbox oils but I found in the 90's I stated putting Mobil 1 fully synthetic transmission oil in manual boxes and it cured all of the problems and I also put it in my 1983 528i e28 manual gearbox and it was adream to drive from cold, Peter
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Old 08-30-2012, 12:39 PM
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Hi Tim and again thanks for your reply, If you do entrust your local garage to fill your gearbox please make sure that you can see that they really do put mobil 1 in it, I live near Canterbury in Kent in the UK and some years ago a Toyota owner supplied his main agent with some mobil 1 engine oil but the mechanic didn't put it in his engine, ie he stole it but the owner could proove the difference in the colour of the oils and the mechanic ended up in court and he was heavily fined and he was sacked. I'm happy for us to be friends and you may contact me via my private e-mail address which is
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Did you ever solve the issue with noise from your steering? I'd be interested - mine is making a noise that comes when the car has sat and then goes away slowly after driving arount for 20 mins or so. So far, pump and accumulator replaced but the noise is still there. Any suggestions?
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Tim - Did you ever solve the issue with your steering? I have the same issue, also replaced the pump and the accumulator and still have the noise. Any suggestions?
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Old 10-18-2012, 11:38 AM
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Tim - Did you ever solve the issue with your steering? I have the same issue, also replaced the pump and the accumulator and still have the noise. Any suggestions?
No I haven't but I have not replaced my power steering unit - I replaced the power booster and apparently that is different. I am getting this knocking kind of noise along with a grabbing sensation when turning the wheel around in my driveway prior to getting out on the street. Once I'm out on the street it seems to go away - I am scheduling a visit to my independant wrench. Oh boy - more money to spend. It seems kind of never ending with these old cars doesn't it.

Oh well that's the price of owning a "collector" or is it just an old car - albeit a nice one. I have fluid leaking from somewhere and it's not purple it's clear - I know it's hydraulic fluid of some kind. But I will let you know when I get it to him - I also want the tranny flushed and new Redline put in. Have you done that? I'm hoping that improves the balkiness when the car is warming up. Once it's warm I can shift no problem, but when it's cold it doesn't want to go into 2nd. It does go away once warm but that kind of bugs me, and of course I'm wondering if this is a sign on something more serious.

We'll see....stay tuned. Thanks for writing!

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Hi Tim - There's a sad ending to this story. Yesterday I sold traded my 635 in and bought a pretty new Jeep Wagoneer! I was using the 6 as a daily driver and it was not working, at least not for the last six months. My mechanic is an hour away and although very good was stumped by this problem. (The noise was so bad that my wife, who is not at all car-conscious, noticed it.) I had spent arounf $1200 with no solution in sight and it was very annoying, with me spending lots of time trying to figure it out. I was afraid that I was getting into a time when my car was going to cost lots. a decade or so ago I owned a 1975 2002 and that car was straightforward enough that I could understand it, and either fix and restore stuff myself o rat least ask someone for specific help. Not so with the 635. And, I like things to work. There are a lot of electronics on the car, ahead of it's time on some. The seat memory didn't work, the trip computer readout had a half of the digital readout unreadable, the glove box had no light and was fell open like a rock, etc. The car looked beautiful and got lots of comments - this is not a major import area, the cars of choice are SUVs and pickups. Also, we needed something to tow and launch a small boat. I put a hitch on my wife's Lexus but she didn't like that a lot!
So, my Bimmer days may be over, I'm 68, but who knows, I've always liked working on cars and working things out and may want to get into it again.
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Old 10-25-2012, 06:55 PM
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A solution to my steering issues...

Hey Guys,

I took my car to my wrench and had the issues diagnosed that were bugging me. The car wwould lose coolant and it was also leaking power steering fluid. They looked it over and found stains around the water pump and thermostat housing, The PS fluid was low and so they tightened up the bolts on the power steering unit and tightened the belt - it was lose as Peter my friend suggested that it might be. The water pump needed replacement and they did the thermost and housing - they bolts broke on the thermostat and they had to bore them out and replace - damn that was expensive - geez. So I got the tightening thing done on the auto steering unit, they replaced the tranny and differential fluid, replaced the water pump and housing, a few replaced brakets or mounts for the exhaust system too - that cost me 865 smakers. Now that is hard to take. The thermostat was 56 bucks the labor was too damn much and I beat them down 100 bucks on the bill. Man I tell you things on this car are rediculously expensive.

The car is running fine now and I have spent a lot - I guess I have, excluding the stereo, about 16k in this car after paying 8k for the car - so if anyone is thinking of buying one of these for 8k I can tell you what you'll be in for!

If you don't pay top dollar for these cars, and mine is really nice, the paint is awesome and the interior is too, now the mechanicals are super tight - you will pay eventually or you will be Mr. DIY dude! That is the truth. There is no such thing as a car that is this old that will not require a lot of work unless someone has been doing it all along and I venture a good guess that there are just not too many of those out there for sale!

If you find one for 15k - that is a good price if it is in as good a shape as mine is now. Most will eithe do this and keep it forever or sell it needikng plenty. I do not think there is any inbetween - well mine was in between - great paint and interior but had been mechanically neglected for too long. A car totatly up to date is wrlth a lot. I would want a minimum of 15k t0 16k and that is still giving away 2k or more considering the stereo and power antenna replacement.

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Tim,

You've got a beautiful looking 6er! Really cool color combo. Hope you are able to enjoy it regularly. Sounds like a really solid example. Next time you are planning to head through Spartanburg, SC be sure to let me know.

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Thanks Eric

Don't ger over to Spartanburg really but maybe we'll meet at the Vintage in Winston/Salem. Went there this year and it was a really nice gathering of cars and people.

Thanks for the compliments on the bimmer - it's a nice one and I've shucked out some pretty serious bucks to get into condition. I'd say 9k really. I doubt if my car would fetch 17k but it might to the right buyer. Being a Euro with no smog it is pretty fast. I have a friend with an M and he can't lose me. I'm right on him in ralleys.

What do you have?

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