Motortrend video slamming 2013 Alpina B7 vs Audi S8

I m hearing RINGER when I hear a car that lists 520 flywheel hp and delivers 479 wheel hp .....through an all wheel drive system no less...the drivetrain loss makes this all the more suspect..

Does anyone question the logic of a full size awd 4400 lb sedan outperforming the rest of the Audi lineup?

ECU tunes are simple with turbocharged motors to provide winners and elevate the image of a brand..

I dont drive a BMW or an audi and I think they are both wonderful luxury sports sedans...

Still 479 wheel hp doesn't add up ..

The 600 lb heavier Bentley with a warmed over tt V8 does zero to 60 mph in 4.5 seconds and does the quarter mile in 12.5 seconds @ 111 mph..(,ptprweek video show)

600 lbs is heavier but not so drastic that the acceleration times would be so different..

I'm surprised the porsche panamera turbo is slower than this S8 as well..Again surprising...

while your chasing down ringers....take a peek at M5 rated 560chp....laying down 530whp on a dyno....get back to us with the same enthusiasm please. The bmw crowd understand forced induction cars being under rated....only the ones looking in from afar are questioning this. I believe the M5 is hugely under rated, 530 vs s8s 480....thats 50 more, and its 400cc bigger...all is well.

Panamera turbo is 4400lbs, and has less hp than both these cars.

http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=762953

Originally Posted by L0U

Panny turbo is 4400lbs, and has less hp than both these cars.

FYI, Panny = Panasonic, not Panamera.

I have a 2013 B7 and a 2009 R8. Both give a 4.2 0-60 time, but are completely different in every way except how long it takes to get to 60 MPH.

Originally Posted by jtimmer

have you guys seen this? It figures that after three S8's I am now swithing to the B7 (arrives in 2 weeks). Still, performance aside, the new Audi looks boring compared to the Alpina.



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Just a quick comment - didn't watch the vid, just enough to confirm the reviewer was who I thought. That guy is an absolute idiot. Can't get his facts straight half the time. imo his reviews are worthless.

Luckily a different independant reviewer found the identical results. Carlos drove the S8 and B7, then made independant reviews. Jonny L did a review of B7, vs. S8.

Matt Farah found the same findings, car and drivers results are incoming very soon.

To summarize the general take. B7 is a beter version of the 750i, although feeling very heavy, it eivers a pleasant comfortable drive. S8 is an axe murderer in the straights, and holds its own in the turns, feeling smaller than it is, but at the expense of a steering fel that doesn't give feedback to the tires limits of traction.

Once cost is factored in, the S8 delivers the goods, and the B7 offers an alternative for some buyers valuing loks, or perhaps exclusiveness, or brand loyalty, or a mix of things, since it does perform admiraby too in the big picture of large sport lux.

Similar read from Ron
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...bmw_alpina_b7/

Very tempting to order an S8 but if it doesn't reach 60 in 3.5sec can Audi take it back? I doubted since the spec claim 4sec. I guess by then the option would be to call ABT for a ECU tune.

Originally Posted by ayu910

Couldn't agree more, Audi is behind on market share so they have to be aggressive and do everything it takes.

What are you talking about? Only in the US, is Audi behind in market share. Worldwide they outsell Mercedes, etc. Only BMW sells more worldwide. They're hardly behind and need to be aggressive. They're just putting out better products than BMW now.

Originally Posted by chrischeung

And the fact they are copying Benz and BMW round logos with their 4 rings logo (do you think they'd sell as many with 4 squares or triangles?) certainly does its part.

What is this crap? The 4 ring logo goes all the way to their roots, back when they were AutoUnion.

The four rings represent the 1932 merging of four previously independent car companies Audi, DKW, Horch and Wanderer. They called themselves AutoUnion, until they brought back the Audi name.

Hardly copying the 3 pointed star or the roundel.

Originally Posted by BMW 3-SERIES

Audi ranked almost last on ConsumerReports and JDPower dependability list.

What crap. How do you explain these ratings? Audi higher than BMW in BOTH JDPower and CR.

Audi is the most reliable Euro brand and top-non Japanese brand (according to CR)

CR


JDpower

I bet you those numbers are inflated and BS.

How so? Just because they make the BMW look like a joke and you don't like Audi doesn't make them bull****. Both BMW and Audi underrate their cars. Look at the N54/55 cars. They make much more than the quoted 300hp. Now BMW is caught lying. And it's not just the B7's power ratings. They also lied on the 328i's fuel economy ratings and had to change them.

Originally Posted by AutoUnion

What are you talking about? Only in the US, is Audi behind in market share. Worldwide they outsell Mercedes, etc. Only BMW sells more worldwide. They're hardly behind and need to be aggressive. They're just putting out better products than BMW now.

Com’on, “ONLY” in the US is huge since we all know it is single largest market.

Audi always had great products like RS4, RS6 sedan/avant, Q7 V12 TDI, etc but never reach the US market. Audi's challenges is matter of bussiness model not product.

Originally Posted by AutoUnion

What is this crap? The 4 ring logo goes all the way to their roots, back when they were AutoUnion.

The four rings represent the 1932 merging of four previously independent car companies Audi, DKW, Horch and Wanderer. They called themselves AutoUnion, until they brought back the Audi name.

Hardly copying the 3 pointed star or the roundel.

So why didn't they use 4 triangles or 4 squares? The 3 pointed star and Roundel pre date 1932. A bit of a coincidence that of all the shapes in the world, square, rectangle, star etc., they happened to choose a "circle", being in use by BMW and Benz.

Originally Posted by chrischeung

So why didn't they use 4 triangles or 4 squares? The 3 pointed star and Roundel pre date 1932. A bit of a coincidence that of all the shapes in the world, square, rectangle, star etc., they happened to choose a "circle", being in use by BMW and Benz.

Oh, come on ... reaching, much?

Try sketching a logo with four squares, or triangles or whatever. Circles are more aesthetically pleasing...that's just a truism of basic design. Simplicity is another design hallmark of an effective logo. You could reasonably speculate that the four rings were also meant to suggest four wheels (not AWD, as many who never heard of AutoUnion assume ... just wheels). The four rings logo is an excellent design, full stop. It neither imitates nor is easily confused with any of its competittors, which is critically important for a trademark.

A great many auto marques worldwide are based on circles or ovals: Ford, Toyota, Infiniti, Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Subaru, Buick, SAAB, VW, Opel, Alfa Romeo ... this is just off the top of my head. BMW no more invented the concept of a roundel than the internal combustion "motor" (their middle name).

I was really stunned B7 being out performed by an S8, how could this happen. Had to come bck to accept reality. But never did like the audi they never looked pretty and/or elegant.

Originally Posted by Zeichen311

Oh, come on ... reaching, much?

Try sketching a logo with four squares, or triangles or whatever. Circles are more aesthetically pleasing...that's just a truism of basic design. Simplicity is another design hallmark of an effective logo. You could reasonably speculate that the four rings were also meant to suggest four wheels (not AWD, as many who never heard of AutoUnion assume ... just wheels). The four rings logo is an excellent design, full stop. It neither imitates nor is easily confused with any of its competittors, which is critically important for a trademark.

This is a good point. If anything, Hyundai should be in hot water over their logo. Sort of looks like a melted Honda logo