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It's bs about LL01, if oil change every 5-7 thousand miles. Also with Mobil 5W-30 I6 doesn't have valve noise during morning start ups. Me and my friend did a lot oil change (with LL01 spec. all recommended and just LL01 spec) to find right one that will eliminate this crazy sound, and Mobil 1 5W-30 is winner, best oil for normal usage. We tried Castrol, Pennzoil (not LL01 , different viscosities) same effect as BMW oil.
So don't bother yourself to spend a lot many just buy case in Costco and you good to go, believe me. We did this for last 3 years of testing.
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Old 09-10-2012, 07:18 PM
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It's bs about LL01, if oil change every 5-7 thousand miles. Also with Mobil 5W-30 I6 doesn't have valve noise during morning start ups. Me and my friend did a lot oil change (with LL01 spec. all recommended and just LL01 spec) to find right one that will eliminate this crazy sound, and Mobil 1 5W-30 is winner, best oil for normal usage. We tried Castrol, Pennzoil (not LL01 , different viscosities) same effect as BMW oil.
So don't bother yourself to spend a lot many just buy case in Costco and you good to go, believe me. We did this for last 3 years of testing.
Thanks for your input phlfly, and can I confirm that you meant LL04 and LL01 as BMW spec below says LL04. Also, which filters did you guys used?

Longlife-04 engine oil SAE 0W-40
Trade name BMW part number Container size
BMW engine oil Longlife-04 83 21 0 398 504 1 litre

Longlife-04 engine oil SAE 5W-30
Trade name BMW part number Container size
BMW engine oil Longlife-04 83 21 0 398 507 1 litre

Anyway, so far the list is below;
1. Castrol Edge Titanium 0W40 oil + BMW oil filter
2. Mobil 1 0W-40 + Hengst Filters
3. Mobil 1 5W-30 (claimed to be tested best)
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BMW LL-04 are not formulated for the US Market/Caribbean/South America.
They are formulated for certain european countries which have higher quality gas.

Stick to LL-01. I've used Shell Helix Ultra 0W-40 and Mobil 1 0W-40 and even non LL-01 on an older BMW (E39) and they have never given me any problems.
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Guys, thanks for contributing and list is so far below, but please don't forget to mention the filter combination.

1. Castrol Edge Titanium 0W40 oil + BMW oil filter
2. Mobil 1 0W-40 + Hengst Filters
3. Mobil 1 5W-30 (claimed to be tested best)
4. Shell Helix Ultra 0W-40
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Old 11-01-2012, 05:52 AM
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Does anyone know if the original BMW LL04 oil is from Castrol or Mobil 1?
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Old 11-01-2012, 06:21 AM
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Everything I've read including BITOG says BMW oil is Castrol.But it's an HC oil.I am currently using GC 0w30.Only PAO oils sold here I can easily get is this one and Mobil 1 0w-40.
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Do not EVER crawl under a car with only a jack supporting it.



Says who? Use an LL-01 oil and live happily ever after. Don't insist others need to waste their time and money because you are an over-maintainer.

I just changed the oil in my 330i for the 7th time at 121,000 miles and the inside is clean and deposit free. Runs as new.
Call me an over-maintainer, but if you're aware of the valve stem seal and guide issues with the V8s, you'll understand the need to cut the change interval in half. I can deal with doubling up on oil changes vs. paying $4500 for head work.
Also, if I had a 535, I'd definitely change the oil more frequently being that it's turbocharged. BMW's 15K interval is simply a clever way to cover as few "free" oil changes within the 4yr maintenance period as possible...
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Call me an over-maintainer, but if you're aware of the valve stem seal and guide issues with the V8s, you'll understand the need to cut the change interval in half. I can deal with doubling up on oil changes vs. paying $4500 for head work.
Also, if I had a 535, I'd definitely change the oil more frequently being that it's turbocharged. BMW's 15K interval is simply a clever way to cover as few "free" oil changes within the 4yr maintenance period as possible...
Agree 100%, did my own valve seals.Exhaust side seals bad,more heat on these valves maybe?PAO better at heat dissipation?Better oil cooling from fresher oil and PAO is my theory.Hope seal last longer than the factory 80k did.

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I also use regular Formula Shell 5W-30 on an E39. No issues so far.
On my E60 it's between Shell Helix Ultra 0W-40 or Mobil 1 0W-40 with BMW OEM Mann Filters.
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Old 11-02-2012, 01:24 AM
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I use and have read on other threads that Castrol makes the BMW branded Synthetic motor oil. Many BMW enthusiasts are opting for the Castrol Edge with SPT 0W30 European formula. It will say "Imported from Germany" on the back. It apparently has better high heat anti-shearing properties and been independently tested to be better than the BMW LL01 motor oil. You can buy it on sale at AutoZone by the quart on occassion. My 545 take 8.5 quarts of oil so it isn't a cheap oil change job at all. I used to use exclusively Mobil 1 0w30 on my e39 528i. But since moving to the bigger engine and heat being an issue, I wanted to make sure I was putting in the best Synthetic I could get. I live in Tampa, FL area so it is hotter climate for most of the year.

As long as you are using a quality oil and changing frequently 5K to 7500 miles, your engine will love you back. 15K BMW intervals are just too hard on the gaskets and other seals. If you stay more frequent with the changes then you'll notice fewer maint problems over the long run.
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BMW LL-04 are not formulated for the US Market/Caribbean/South America.
They are formulated for certain european countries which have higher quality gas.

Stick to LL-01. I've used Shell Helix Ultra 0W-40 and Mobil 1 0W-40 and even non LL-01 on an older BMW (E39) and they have never given me any problems.
Here is Oz, Mobil 1 5W30 comes in two version, normal 5W30 which is LL01 and ESP Formula 5W30 which is LL04. Anyone know which is better out of these two?

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BMW LL-04 oils are ONLY recommended for a couple countries in Europe, for the rest of the world BMW recommends using BMW LL-01 oil.
BMW LL-04 oils are specced for low Sulphur, Phosphorus and Sulphated Ashes gas which is only available in some Europe countries.

But still, if i'm not mistaken you can use Mobil 1 ESP on your BMW engine.

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Hi Guys,

I am revisiting this old thread not to disturb the balance of Engine Oil thread, but I would like to know one thing, what do most DIY E60 owner's use,

0W40 or 5W30?

Please share, as I am using 0W40 so far, but then came across some strange issues on the car that is leading me to re-think on the oil and it appears most of the owners are using 5W30, but as per BMW TIS I am using 0W40. So that the reason for revisit.

Thanks in advance for sharing.
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I am using Castrol Edge w/SPT European Formula (formerly Syntec) 0W-30 in both my E60 an E38. I am able to find it on sale at Advance Auto and Autozone in the US. (two for one) It is LL-01 for the US market.
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M1 0W-40 $4.50/Qt ($22.47 for 5Qt jug @ Walmart)
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Hi Guys,

I am revisiting this old thread not to disturb the balance of Engine Oil thread, but I would like to know one thing, what do most DIY E60 owner's use,

0W40 or 5W30?

Please share, as I am using 0W40 so far, but then came across some strange issues on the car that is leading me to re-think on the oil and it appears most of the owners are using 5W30, but as per BMW TIS I am using 0W40. So that the reason for revisit.

Thanks in advance for sharing.

What issues are you having?
The difference between the 0W-40 and 5W-30 is the viscosity. Dont let the numbers blind you, usually 0W-40 oils are made with better base stocks in order to have better flow at lower temperatures. So the 0W-40 "should" flow better than most oil grades in cold temperatures.
The most notable difference would be operating temperature viscosity but these engines love thicker oil, in fact they are designed for these kind of oils.
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Here is Oz, Mobil 1 5W30 comes in two version, normal 5W30 which is LL01 and ESP Formula 5W30 which is LL04. Anyone know which is better out of these two?
Stay with the older spec's as the newer specs are designed to meet newer emissions standards, there is an inverse relationship between engine protection and MPG's / environmental concerns.

Go with "ESP" if you want more MPG's (Greener alternative) over better engine wear protection which is found in oils with high levels of ZDDP (which is LL-01)

Lower engine protection equals more MPG's. Why? Because mass (zinc,(ZDDP) equals protective film that "slightly" lowers your MPG's but mostly the "Green Party" people do not want zinc in the oils but that's what protects them.

I've written extensively on oil specs, (and I do mean extensively!) and by far and away, Mobil 1 0W-40 European formula is the best and crazy cheap at Walmart.

Or, feel free to read through the reams of data in the following posts:

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...2&postcount=68

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...7&postcount=32

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...3&postcount=63

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...4&postcount=64

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...5&postcount=66

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...6&postcount=35

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...7&postcount=41

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...8&postcount=43

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...8&postcount=47

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...7&postcount=48

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What issues are you having?
The difference between the 0W-40 and 5W-30 is the viscosity. Dont let the numbers blind you, usually 0W-40 oils are made with better base stocks in order to have better flow at lower temperatures. So the 0W-40 "should" flow better than most oil grades in cold temperatures.
The most notable difference would be operating temperature viscosity but these engines love thicker oil, in fact they are designed for these kind of oils.
Thanks, the problem I am facing is engine vibration at idle which disappears on driving. Oil used earlier was Castrol Edge titanium 0W40 and currently Mobil1 0W40. Have been lead to believe the problem is related to calibration of injector/air to engine. But I suspect the oil might play a part.


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Stay with the older spec's as the newer specs are designed to meet newer emissions standards, there is an inverse relationship between engine protection and MPG's / environmental concerns.

Go with "ESP" if you want more MPG's (Greener alternative) over better engine wear protection which is found in oils with high levels of ZDDP (which is LL-01)

Lower engine protection equals more MPG's. Why? Because mass (zinc,(ZDDP) equals protective film that "slightly" lowers your MPG's but mostly the "Green Party" people do not want zinc in the oils but that's what protects them.

I've written extensively on oil specs, (and I do mean extensively!) and by far and away, Mobil 1 0W-40 European formula is the best and crazy cheap at Walmart.

Or, feel free to read through the reams of data in the following posts:
Thanks mrgrumpy, I have read most of those thread, does BMW published there spec for BMW LL-01 & LL 04 rating somewhere? These both spec come in 0W40 and 5W30 which are recommended by BMW. So, spec wise, which is the best combination
LL 01-0W40
LL 01-5W30
LL 04-0W40
LL 04-5W30

I guess if I follow your recommendation above, the Mobil1 0W40 = LL01-0W40.
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Thanks, the problem I am facing is engine vibration at idle which disappears on driving. Oil used earlier was Castrol Edge titanium 0W40 and currently Mobil1 0W40. Have been lead to believe the problem is related to calibration of injector/air to engine. But I suspect the oil might play a part.




Thanks mrgrumpy, I have read most of those thread, does BMW published there spec for BMW LL-01 & LL 04 rating somewhere? These both spec come in 0W40 and 5W30 which are recommended by BMW. So, spec wise, which is the best combination
LL 01-0W40
LL 01-5W30
LL 04-0W40
LL 04-5W30

I guess if I follow your recommendation above, the Mobil1 0W40 = LL01-0W40.
Either LL-01 is best. Walmart's low pricing on the Mobil 1 0W-40 is the clincher for me.

I believe somewhere in my posts was the BMW LL-01 spec of something like 12.3 cSt of which M1 0W-40 exceeds with a 13.5+ cSt score as I recall.

The newer spec's LL-04+ require less zinc, phosphorous in order to meet green standards, consequently, they offer less protection.

Avoid any oil highlighting "More MPG's", "Extended Protection" as they both offer less protection than the LL-01 spec.

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Either LL-01 is best. Walmart's low pricing on the Mobil 1 0W-40 is the clincher for me.

I believe somewhere in my posts was the BMW LL-01 spec of something like 12.3 cSt of which M1 0W-40 exceeds with a 13.5+ cSt score as I recall.

The newer spec's LL-04+ require less zinc, phosphorous in order to meet green standards, consequently, they offer less protection.

Avoid any oil highlighting "More MPG's", "Extended Protection" as they both offer less protection than the LL-01 spec.
Thanks mrgrumpy. Here down under, we have a local oil by the brand Penrite, not sure if people in US use it. I found an approved LL 01 oil with 15 cSt spec and it is much cheaper than Castrol or Mobil 1.
http://www.penriteoil.com.au/product...&id_products=1

Has anyone used Penrite or know anything bad about the this oil in the link? I am thinking of moving from Mobil 1 to this one, is it wise?
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Thanks mrgrumpy. Here down under, we have a local oil by the brand Penrite, not sure if people in US use it. I found an approved LL 01 oil with 15 cSt spec and it is much cheaper than Castrol or Mobil 1.
http://www.penriteoil.com.au/product...&id_products=1

Has anyone used Penrite or know anything bad about the this oil in the link? I am thinking of moving from Mobil 1 to this one, is it wise?
A rating of 15 cSt and loaded up on "zinc" is a winner in my book.

If it's cheaper than Mobil !, buy it buy the caseload.

Never seen it here in the states, and promoting "Zinc" on the front label would have the Greenies screaming.
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From everything I have seen Penrite appears to be a good quality small to medium sized blender.
They have been around a long time, are API licensed and attend and present at lubrication industry functions.
Looks like you will want to stay with the HPR5 5W-40, their LL-01 rated oil.

Tough to say how good their quality control is. All blenders are beholden to the base stock manufacturers and how available they make their base stock in small quantities. As a blender if you can't get your favorite base stock you substitute and adjust your blend.

That being said, if you feel the savings are substantial I think you are safe in giving them a try a couple of times. If the engine runs well you probably have a winner.

If you have access to a reasonably priced oil analysis lab you may want to send off a sample after your first drain of their product to see how it stands up after say 8,500 kilometers.

I know it is tough for you down under as everything made elsewhere carries a freight premium. Good luck - I hope you can save a few shekels.
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Finally, changed the oil to this new Penrite HPR5 5W40. I could actually feel it different and smoother for few weeks, but this morning, I felt the car was shaking (side to side) on cold start, once warmed up all well. Just wondering if it is the oil or something else?
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Finally, changed the oil to this new Penrite HPR5 5W40. I could actually feel it different and smoother for few weeks, but this morning, I felt the car was shaking (side to side) on cold start, once warmed up all well. Just wondering if it is the oil or something else?
Good Grief

Your startup misfire is obviously not oil related.
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