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Old 11-02-2012, 06:07 AM
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Reading posts, Dinan Stage 2 in the spring is looking more promising. I too like the security of the xDrive on slippery roads. Like Southern, still wish I had the B&O though.
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Old 11-02-2012, 07:12 AM
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While they installed the software, I started fiddling with a M6 MY12 sitting on the floor. It's tough if compared to prior years to spot the differences. Regardless, the badger had the nerve to tell me that another M6 MY12 that is available in the area, with only 700 miles has a different engine (!), that's why is for sale for 110. According to Mr badger, the M6 had 500 hp and then 560hp later in that model year.

I got out of there at once. Got into my car and such a difference with the stage 2... I am a believer now of the church of Dinan cars!
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Old 11-04-2012, 10:18 AM
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Given the huge lost of value of an used MY12, would you bite the bullet and go for a M6?
I feel tempted...
It is tempting. But let me provide some insight. I went from a 335I to a 2009 M3. The delta between the two comparing the costs, insurance increase and driver benefit is this with the M's: Unless you intend to drive that car on the track you won't ever fully extract the added value of an M car. Sure there is visual prestige. And it does have the cool DCT and other suspension and gadgets but if 80% (or more) is daily driver duties its overkill. I traded in my high revving M3 for a 2012 650I and I could not be happier. The 650 is designed to be the most robust daily driver car. Just because you get an M doesn't magically "upgrade" the entire car to more. Sure it has more power. But do you see yourself flying around banked curves against a 650 to gain 2/10 a second? If more power is desired -and really stock the 650 truly has very good acceleration- get your 650 Dinaned and enjoy it my friend!

Regarding depreciation, just go to your dealer and look at the projected residuals from a lease for the 650 versus M6. the M6 is significantly lower.
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Old 11-04-2012, 10:49 AM
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It is tempting. But let me provide some insight. I went from a 335I to a 2009 M3. The delta between the two comparing the costs, insurance increase and driver benefit is this with the M's: Unless you intend to drive that car on the track you won't ever fully extract the added value of an M car. Sure there is visual prestige. And it does have the cool DCT and other suspension and gadgets but if 80% (or more) is daily driver duties its overkill. I traded in my high revving M3 for a 2012 650I and I could not be happier. The 650 is designed to be the most robust daily driver car. Just because you get an M doesn't magically "upgrade" the entire car to more. Sure it has more power. But do you see yourself flying around banked curves against a 650 to gain 2/10 a second? If more power is desired -and really stock the 650 truly has very good acceleration- get your 650 Dinaned and enjoy it my friend!

Regarding depreciation, just go to your dealer and look at the projected residuals from a lease for the 650 versus M6. the M6 is significantly lower.
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Old 11-04-2012, 11:21 AM
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It is tempting. But let me provide some insight. I went from a 335I to a 2009 M3. The delta between the two comparing the costs, insurance increase and driver benefit is this with the M's: Unless you intend to drive that car on the track you won't ever fully extract the added value of an M car. Sure there is visual prestige. And it does have the cool DCT and other suspension and gadgets but if 80% (or more) is daily driver duties its overkill. I traded in my high revving M3 for a 2012 650I and I could not be happier. The 650 is designed to be the most robust daily driver car. Just because you get an M doesn't magically "upgrade" the entire car to more. Sure it has more power. But do you see yourself flying around banked curves against a 650 to gain 2/10 a second? If more power is desired -and really stock the 650 truly has very good acceleration- get your 650 Dinaned and enjoy it my friend!

Regarding depreciation, just go to your dealer and look at the projected residuals from a lease for the 650 versus M6. the M6 is significantly lower.
What a terrific, succinct analysis! Bravo!


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Old 11-04-2012, 12:01 PM
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It is tempting. But let me provide some insight. I went from a 335I to a 2009 M3. The delta between the two comparing the costs, insurance increase and driver benefit is this with the M's: Unless you intend to drive that car on the track you won't ever fully extract the added value of an M car. Sure there is visual prestige. And it does have the cool DCT and other suspension and gadgets but if 80% (or more) is daily driver duties its overkill. I traded in my high revving M3 for a 2012 650I and I could not be happier. The 650 is designed to be the most robust daily driver car. Just because you get an M doesn't magically "upgrade" the entire car to more. Sure it has more power. But do you see yourself flying around banked curves against a 650 to gain 2/10 a second? If more power is desired -and really stock the 650 truly has very good acceleration- get your 650 Dinaned and enjoy it my friend!

Regarding depreciation, just go to your dealer and look at the projected residuals from a lease for the 650 versus M6. the M6 is significantly lower.
Like I said before, it's probably really about that measuring stick.
You know, when we were kids and the guy with the biggest prick constantly bragged about it. You grow up and buy the biggest baddest toys since you can't grow more inches.

I can see getting an M if you track your car. Even then it's a stretch since the M6 is not an ideal track car with it weight and size. I love power as much as the nextguy, but I'm not willing to overypay for something I will never use.

My wife thinks I'm lying about this and when our new business takes off, she thinks I'm gonna buy the fastest cars available. We'll see. I told her I don't need the fastest cars. I am already endowed enough to be satisfied wiithout needing the fastest, biggest car. Since she now understands why a lot of guys get fast cars she agreed I don't need them.

Yes, that made me feel great.
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Old 11-20-2012, 09:19 PM
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Im perfectly satisfied with my 650i, 400 hp is more than enough and around these parts you really can't go much past 80 mph on the Interstates. Buying an M6 is a huge waste of money
for me and just plain doesn't make much economic or practical sense.
"Agreed." (Of course, unless you live in Germany where you go drive on the Autobahn everyday, then maybe 400hp won't be enuf).

The reason why 2013s speeds up the 2012s' depreciation because they added 45hp AND 30tq to the engine!!!
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Old 11-20-2012, 10:15 PM
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"Agreed." (Of course, unless you live in Germany where you go drive on the Autobahn everyday, then maybe 400hp won't be enuf).

The reason why 2013s speeds up the 2012s' depreciation because they added 45hp AND 30tq to the engine!!!
Do the updated 2013s really increase the the depreciation %age in the 2012s?
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Old 11-20-2012, 10:30 PM
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Do the updated 2013s really increase the the depreciation %age in the 2012s?
At the very least, I'd think it would make it harder to unload a '12 to any second hand buyer who us somewhat educated. Given that most of these cars will resale at prices higher than many fine, new cars, I'd expect a lot of buyers to have this knowledge. Could be wrong though...
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