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X5 E70 (2007 - 2013)
E70 BMW X5 produced between 2007 and 2013. Discuss the E70 X5 with other BMW owners here.

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Old 11-21-2012, 11:25 AM
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Looking for some feedback. About to pull the trigger on a CPO X5. Originally I had picked out a 2009 X5 3.0 for $34k. Pretty loaded and mid 30s mileage. Now the same dealer has dropped the prices on the 2010s to $39k. The 2010s have the same equipment and were put into service the same month as the 2009 so the warranty is the same.

Would you spend $5k for an updated iDrive and one model year newer?

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Old 11-21-2012, 11:55 AM
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Looking for some feedback. About to pull the trigger on a CPO X5. Originally I had picked out a 2009 X5 3.0 for $34k. Pretty loaded and mid 30s mileage. Now the same dealer has dropped the prices on the 2010s to $39k. The 2010s have the same equipment and were put into service the same month as the 2009 so the warranty is the same.

Would you spend $5k for an updated iDrive and one model year newer?

Thoughts? Thanks!!
"pretty loaded" is a useless descriptor, of course.

In 2009 the "sport package" included AD.

In 2010 the only way to get AD was to order it stand alone. Option 2VA.

Delta is a $3500 option. Are you comparing apples to apples?

If yes, go for the newer car, just negotiate a bit harder.
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Old 11-21-2012, 12:31 PM
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Here is the 2010: 36K miles. Rear climate package, tech package, premium package, cold weather package, running boards, sat radio, roof rails. $39,930 - black/black

2009: 36K miles. cold weather pkg, premium package, tech package, rear climate pkg, running boards, sat radio $34,550 silver/black

Both put into service in October 2009.
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Old 11-21-2012, 12:36 PM
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Easy for me- I'll never own a black car.
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Old 11-21-2012, 02:30 PM
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Neither. I'm with ard. Black is terrible and the 09 car isn't that great either when you can spend a little bit more and get a '10 with the new iDrive
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Old 11-21-2012, 06:17 PM
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I liked the silver too. They have a blue one with tan interior and white with black interior too (similarly optioned)
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Old 11-21-2012, 08:04 PM
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Russ- Why a CPO?

If you say "Oh, I just want a clean car with a 100k warranty" there are many ways to do that.

If you think a CPO is some kind of 'cherry' car, that is deeply backed by BMW and the dealer, you need to get educated..


Ideally you want to find someone returning a lease, and see if you can scoop that up and add a BMW Gold warranty to it. Get a thorough PPI, and you'll have a 'home made CPO'

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Old 11-22-2012, 03:33 AM
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I believe the 5K also includes a better engine and a 8 speed gearbox, if it has the new Idrive..?

From wiki;

"2010/2011 X5 "Life Cycle Impulse" (LCI) Changes
2011 BMW X5 xDrive35d

In 2010 the X5 underwent a "Life Cycle Impulse" (LCI) update, debuted at the New York Auto show in April 2010 and introduced as 2011 models in BMW North America markets. The changes included revised styling, primarily of the front and rear bumpers, air intakes and headlights as well as new exterior and interior colors and new options combination. It also included BMW Group's latest infotainment system.

More significantly, a new range of engines, all turbocharged and with direct injection was introduced. In the North American market, available gasoline power trains are the xDrive 35i twin-scroll turbo six-cylinder and the xDrive50i twin turbo V8, both coupled to an eight-speed automatic Steptronic transmission. These petrol engines are more powerful and lighter than their predecessors, with the 35i also providing improved fuel mileage and reduced emissions. The xDrive 35d turbo diesel carries over in the NA market with the six-speed transmission unchanged from the previous model year. The xDrive40d was also introduced along with a revised xDrive30d, but neither are currently available in the North American market.[9]"
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Old 11-23-2012, 07:47 AM
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The 2010 ones still have the same engine/transmission as the 2009 that I've looked at. In my area the private sale x5s are all the same prices (or more actually) than the CPO ones. Any that are less typically have a lot more miles (over 50 or 60k) and aren't worth it for me.

Are the prices different in CA?
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Old 11-23-2012, 09:11 AM
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The 2010 ones still have the same engine/transmission as the 2009 that I've looked at. In my area the private sale x5s are all the same prices (or more actually) than the CPO ones. Any that are less typically have a lot more miles (over 50 or 60k) and aren't worth it for me.

Are the prices different in CA?
In terms of prices, private sales CANNOT Be less than CPOs... Not possible. Simply stated nobody would buy the higher priced private ones, and everyone will buy the CPOs!!

You may be confusing asking price with selling price.

You should spend some time trying to understand the relationships between the original MSRP, the lease residual, what BMWFS offers these cars back to the dealer for and what dealers are paying for trade in. Resale value seems to be driven down to residual (not precisely, but this s a major influence)

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Old 11-27-2012, 07:23 AM
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Thanks for your comments and suggestions. I expanded the search and now have my sights on a 2011 X5 Premium with the convenience package cold weather package. It's not CPO but the price ($37k) with 27k miles is right. It's Blue/Black

EDIT: long story short this dealer was atrocious (Hudson Hyundai in Jersey City, NJ). I made an appt, verified it twice, and then when I showed up at the appointed time (11am), there was no car there!! Seems the GM took the car home the previous night (probably to show off to his girlfriend or something!!) and then didn't bother to come in. No one called me to reschedule or anything. I was mighty pissed after driving nearly 2 hours to get there. They tried to get me to wait around until 2pm when they expected him to show up). I asked them to have someone go get the car from him but they refused - they were afraid of him. I left the dealer fuming. I got several calls from the dealer but they lost my sale. What a joke...

In hindsight i could've called the dealer before I left but in my previous confirmation call the prior day, they seemed annoyed that I was confirming the appt. Who would think a used car wouldn't be there? If it was a loaner car or similar i could understand but a used car that is not even a Hyundai?

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Old 12-04-2012, 03:03 PM
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So i finally settled on a CPO 2011 X5 Premium (silver/black). I bought it from a dealer in NJ (Tenafly BMW). They had one with 26k miles and it was optioned mostly the way i wanted (cold weather, convenience, technology). I would've liked the premium sound but when you're buying used you have to take what you can get. I got a fair price ($40,900) and it was a good experience.

Some of the other cars that I looked at were either too high priced ($45k+ for the same optioned vehicle) or the mileage with materially different (over 40k).

What do you think?
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