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Old 11-28-2012, 07:11 AM
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Its really simple, you dont get a BMW to save money, thats like running a supercomputer to use google. Just get a used honda or a jeep like me

unless of course you are willing to look like every other 17 hyr old who used his lawn mowing job to get a BMW and be cool (hello used E90)

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Old 11-28-2012, 07:20 AM
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Its really simple, you dont get a BMW to save money, thats like running a supercomputer to use google. Just get a used honda or a jeep like me

unless of course you are willing to look like every other 17 hyr old who used his lawn mowing job to get a BMW and be cool (hello used E90)
Some people just like to make the most frugal decision they can. So, while not spending $100-200 a month extra on the car of your choice is not (or should not be) a huge deal for someone who likes to drive around in cars costing $50+ thousand dollars, it does pay the airfare for another trip to Europe, or wherever.
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Old 11-28-2012, 07:23 AM
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Some people just like to make the most frugal decision they can. So, while not spending $100-200 a month extra on the car of your choice is not (or should not be) a huge deal for someone who likes to drive around in cars costing $50+ thousand dollars, it does pay the airfare for another trip to Europe, or wherever.
Exactly. $2400/year buys a lot of nice alternatives to new car smell.
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It's $3000 over 10 years in addition to the $21,000 you already saved. Now you're up to $2400/year, or $200/month.
There never was a $21,000 savings unless someone did what you did which is to buy a second-hand used car and keep that pile of junk for 10 years.

The adults with money are trying to have a conversation. Can you leave us alone now?

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Old 11-28-2012, 07:40 AM
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There never was a $21,000 savings unless someone did what you did which is to buy a second-hand used car and keep that pile of junk for 10 years.

The adults with money are trying to have a conversation. Can you leave us alone now?

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I saved more like $40k vs your $64,000 10-year lease numbers. No, the $21,000 figure is if you use correct numbers like I told you many times:

10-year old $50k car trade-in value = $6000, not $3000
Cash purchase price for your $540/month lease = $45k, not $50k.

It's pretty lame to fudge numbers just to make your lease look better.
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Old 11-28-2012, 07:45 AM
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apparently he can't
BJ doesn't want you here either with your out of date E92.

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2. I couldn't be caught dead in an old car like an '11 E92, my neighbors would complain and my wife wouldn't be invited to Thursday night bunco anymore.

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Paying for the use a car with pre tax dollars can be a huge incentive to lease if you can make that work for your situation.
IMO this is the main reason why leasing should be used, huge benefit for businesses, not so much for individuals.
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BJ doesn't want you here either with your out of date E92.
I had a choice to get the LCI e92 with m-sport or wait for the f30, but then I was forced with the prospect of driving around town without anyone knowing how much taste I have by what they saw me driving. I'm sure you can understand the excruciating pain of that.
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Old 11-28-2012, 07:58 AM
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I had a choice to get the LCI e92 with m-sport or wait for the f30, but then I was forced with the prospect of driving around town without anyone knowing how much taste I have by what they saw me driving. I'm sure you can understand the excruciating pain of that.
E92 looks ok with M Sport, you're off the hook then.
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not really, i had to get the performance difuser. the stock m-sport diffuesr looks like crap...
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So I called my Uncle, who lives in Brighton Beach, after the hurricane. He said his car just floated all over the parking lot, there were hundreds of cars destroyed. He said the insurance guy came around, and gave my uncle more money than he thought it was worth. So, what are you going to do for a car now? Sez me. Oh, I'll just go out and get another one like it. What kind of car was it? Sez me. HONEY, sez him, what kind of car did we have? A Toyota something, says my aunt. Yeah, that's right, a Camry says him.

The man is worth millions.

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not really, i had to get the performance difuser. the stock m-sport diffuesr looks like crap...
Not a big fan of the body-colored diffuser, to each his own.
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Old 11-28-2012, 08:31 AM
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Performance looks more interesting - I'm not really a fan of the E92 M3's diffuser either, the Performance probably looks the best of the 3.

Is the Jetta photo to show that every car nowadays has a rear diffuser and dual exhaust. I think these rear diffusers started showing up on hot hatches and STI/EVOs before BMWs anyway, what are you gonna do?
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BJ doesn't want you here either with your out of date E92.
He's an adult and he doesn't disrespect the F30 in its own forum so, no, he's more than welcome here.

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Old 11-28-2012, 08:58 AM
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He's an adult and he doesn't disrespect the F30 in its own forum so, no, he's more than welcome here.

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Aww, that's sweet.
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If you put down a down payment, then your payments can be the same or less than a lease. And "sell a lease at anytime" is typically with financial consequences, moreso than with a purchase + down payment. Much of this depends on your original negotiated price, but it is clearly more easily done with a traditional note.

As a point of reference, I bought a brand new $76K '12 M3, kept it for exactly one year and sold it outright to purchase another car. I got back every penny of my down payment, and my out of pocket costs to own the car for the 12 months were ~$650/month. Exactly how would I have down this with a lease, on a $76K car?
Read my earlier post and read on ask-a-dealer as that is about the going lease rate on a m3 right now. BMW inflates their residuals to make lease rates better. Very rarely can you get even close to the same price when actually selling a car. I would love to see your actual numbers because your vehicle lost 5k the moment it drove off the lot and in 12 months it is extremely unlikely the numbers ur posting would hold up under scrutiny.
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$15k-20k savings on purchase vs. leasing sounds believable if the car is kept for 10-15 years. Let's say the old beater is worth 10% of original price, so the cost was 90%. For the same car leased 4 times, with a residual of 67%, the cost is 33%*4=132%. So the purchase has roughly 40% savings. It is true to maintain a late model bimmer can cost $10k to 100+k miles out of warranty, however lease ends also cost some money, say, $2-3k(tires, excess miles, dings and such), so it can be a wash.
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Read my earlier post and read on ask-a-dealer as that is about the going lease rate on a m3 right now. BMW inflates their residuals to make lease rates better. Very rarely can you get even close to the same price when actually selling a car. I would love to see your actual numbers because your vehicle lost 5k the moment it drove off the lot and in 12 months it is extremely unlikely the numbers ur posting would hold up under scrutiny.
Please, scrutinize!
  • M3 MSRP $76K
  • Total selling price w/taxes $71K (European Delivery 10/17/2011)
  • Selling price 12 months later $61K (you can check the forum classifieds here)
  • Tax savings towards any new car $3500 (purchased ActiveHybrid 3, not applicable in CA)
  • Delta for out of pocket $10K- $3.5K = $6.5K/12 months = $541/month

I'll go ahead and add some time-value-of-money for the deposit I put down, as well as the $500 fee I paid to my dealer for the private party tax swap situation, so we can round up the $541/month to an even $600 for ya.

So, now I've "leased" a $76K MSRP M3 for $600/month for a solid year. Tell me again how I'd do this via a traditional lease, instead of financing? I'm getting into my ActiveHybrid 3 for $10K under MSRP, so maybe I'll do the same thing and keep that one for 12 months, maybe I'll keep it longer. The traditional finance method gives me ridiculous flexibility.

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Please, scrutinize!
  • M3 MSRP $76K
  • Total selling price w/taxes $71K (European Delivery 10/17/2011)
  • Selling price 12 months later $61K (you can check the forum classifieds here)
  • Tax savings towards any new car $3500 (purchased ActiveHybrid 3, not applicable in CA)
  • Delta for out of pocket $10K- $3.5K = $6.5K/12 months = $541/month

I'll go ahead and add some time-value-of-money for the deposit I put down, as well as the $500 fee I paid to my dealer for the private party tax swap situation, so we can round up the $541/month to an even $600 for ya.

So, now I've "leased" a $76K MSRP M3 for $600/month for a solid year. Tell me again how I'd do this via a traditional lease, instead of financing? I'm getting into my ActiveHybrid 3 for $10K under MSRP, so maybe I'll do the same thing and keep that one for 12 months, maybe I'll keep it longer. The traditional finance method gives me ridiculous flexibility.
You haven't listed any of the actual information that matters. A lease would have also gotten the huge savings due to ED and also often a 61k selling price. The 3500 tax credit as well. But as you have not read my previous post obviously as you are describing a non typical sale, I will try to explain the answer in your case.

Give me the following. Cap cost reduction plus total drive off. Give me your interest rate as you keep saying you are financing. Give me the length of term and I will be able to properly review.
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Performance looks more interesting - I'm not really a fan of the E92 M3's diffuser either, the Performance probably looks the best of the 3.

Is the Jetta photo to show that every car nowadays has a rear diffuser and dual exhaust. I think these rear diffusers started showing up on hot hatches and STI/EVOs before BMWs anyway, what are you gonna do?
i know thats why i got the performance diffuser, so it didnt look like a jetta or a merc

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Old 11-28-2012, 10:23 AM
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You haven't listed any of the actual information that matters. A lease would have also gotten the huge savings due to ED and also often a 61k selling price. The 3500 tax credit as well. But as you have not read my previous post obviously as you are describing a non typical sale, I will try to explain the answer in your case.

Give me the following. Cap cost reduction plus total drive off. Give me your interest rate as you keep saying you are financing. Give me the length of term and I will be able to properly review.
Sure, I listed all the info! But I will be happy to give you more.

Drive off price $70,763
Cap cost reduction (technically this is a down payment, but probably should be referred to as a MSD since I got it back) $21K
Amount financed, $50K @ 2.49% 60 months (rates are lower, now). I paid $963 in interest over the 12 months. Go ahead and add that to my drive off price of $70,763 for a total of $71,726. Selling price of $61K plus tax credit of $3500 towards any new vehicle still nets an out of pocket of $602.66/month for 12 months. Add my $500 dealer fee in there, I'm still under $650 a month.

There is no way you're leasing a $76K M3 for under $650/month, for a 12 month term. But I did! BTW, how much is your lease per month?

This is not a non-typical sale. This how to buy/sell cars, smartly.

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Old 11-28-2012, 10:56 AM
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how did you get 21k in MSDs? I thought they only allowed 7 MSDs.
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how did you get 21k in MSDs? I thought they only allowed 7 MSDs.
I did a traditional finance. Member MonkeyCMonkeyDo was referring to my deal in "lease" terms like cap cost reduction, etc. So I referenced the $21K in a lease term like MSD, even though it was a down payment.

My whole example is in lease-terms, but of course it was a very traditional finance.

I give this example to show just how flexible traditional financing can be. I was out $650/month for a $76K car, and I could have kept it 8 months, 12 months (which I did), 24 months, etc. The point is that it was my choice to keep the car for a very short time, and the financial costs for doing so was ridiculously low.

If someone can explain how a lease would have fit this situation better, I'm all ears. Until then, I'm going to keep "buying" like this cause it is fun, flexible and puts me under little obligation.
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