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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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Old 11-29-2012, 07:59 AM
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1st off, I am not having buyer's remorse. I absolutely love my car. I just putting this out for some advice on what I think my options are ,and what others would do. Maybe I'm overlooking something.

However.

I came from a 6MT. I gave the sport auto a chance. It's been a month, and while the sport auto is fun to drive, I just haven't been able to get over the fact I'm missing out. I've lost that connection to the vehicle that only a 6MT can provide. When I was initially debating purchase, I was trying to choose between a 13 335ix M-line w/6MT and my car (12 335i sport line w/sport auto). I preferred the Sport line look (My car would be perfect with the 6MT, but I know, it's not). I don't prefer it enough over a 6MT. I thought I could. I was wrong.

I've also been looking at E46 M3s, Z4s, Boxers, etc...on carguru/cars/autotrader/clist, etc...to pickup a secondary car with a 6MT to get my fix.

Do I:

1. See what kind of hit I would take by going back to the dealer and trying to get into the 13? (They still have it) (Another twist on this, do I just friggin build one myself, so i get exactly what I want?)

2. Do I pickup a secondary car with a 6MT? (The more costly option, though I like the idea of owning an older M3. Then again, I had already planned to get an M3 in 2015, so does that even make sense?) I don't know if i want to wait 2 years to get back into a 6MT. then again, My car is an awesome daily driver and the auto in heavy traffic does make the commute easier, so keeping my car isn't a bad thing. I was leaning towards this option , but option one probably cost me around 10K . This one is around 20-25K, and that doesn't include insurance on another car. That part I don't like so much.

3. Do Nothing (not like I'm miserable or anything, I love my car, I just know I'm not loving it as much as I should) and get a 6MT in 2013, like a 2 series, or another 335?


The increased car payment going up to a 13 is not a huge concern, I'm still under what I was expecting to be, but what I'm more concerned about is taking a huge hit, and losing a significant sum of money since its only been a month. How much can I expect to lose? (I did get a nice deal on my car, about 4K under expected MSRP) Do I need to go to a different dealer to try to recoup as much of that as I can? My thinking was as long as what I lose is under 1500, I could probably live with that. If it's a lot higher, then I don't think it'd be worth it. If I decided to go for option 1, I need to do it soon, as I drive a lot. (2200 miles in the first month)

Lesson Learned. For any who read this who are going through the purchasing process. Get the car you want.
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Old 11-29-2012, 08:12 AM
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Old 11-29-2012, 08:20 AM
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Option 2 will make you regret it even more. I wouldn't. You'll be in this weird "don't like either car" limbo.

One will be too old, missing all of the amazing new tech and comfort options, and the other will feel too soft. You'll love neither.

I'd look into trading it back in, and take the hit... OUCH at first, but long term you'll be happier.
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Old 11-29-2012, 08:25 AM
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i'd look into trading it back in, and take the hit... Ouch at first, but long term you'll be happier.
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:18 AM
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I've also been looking at E46 M3s, Z4s, Boxers, etc...on carguru/cars/autotrader/clist, etc...to pickup a secondary car with a 6MT to get my fix.
The OP's post is almost an exact cliff notes version of this entire thread http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=652339
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Since you're planning on getting an ///M3 in 2015 my advice is suck it up until then. Don't dig the hole any deeper. 2,200 miles in one month. You now own a used car. Worse yet,though you just bought it, it is a 2012 and we are well into the 2013 model year. My guess is on trade you could expect around $5,000 less than invoice. Maybe a little more. Maybe less. Certainly more than a $1,500 loss.

At 2,200 miles a month you will take a serious smack down if you trade it in six months.

Your auto v manual remorse will lessen with time. You may even come to appreciate the auto more during your daily commute. You'll be thrilled out of your mind in 2015 to get back to a manual, and not just any manual, but an ///M3 manual!!
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Since you're planning on getting an ///M3 in 2015 my advice is suck it up until then. Don't dig the hole any deeper. 2,200 miles in one month. You now own a used car. Worse yet,though you just bought it, it is a 2012 and we are well into the 2013 model year. My guess is on trade you could expect around $5,000 less than invoice. Maybe a little more. Maybe less. Certainly more than a $1,500 loss.

At 2,200 miles a month you will take a serious smack down if you trade it in six months.

Your auto v manual remorse will lessen with time. You may even come to appreciate the auto more during your daily commute. You'll be thrilled out of your mind in 2015 to get back to a manual, and not just any manual, but an ///M3 manual!!
This.

Give the auto some time. I drove manual transmissions for 20+ years and after putting 4,000 miles on my 2013 with the 8AT I don't miss it, at all.

If you feel bad enough about it to absorb a $5,000 or more hit to get into one with a stick, then by all means, your money - your decision.
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Am I the only one here seeing a connection with 328i2013?



The OP's post is almost an exact cliff notes version of this entire thread http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=652339
No, it's not the same thing. I said several times that I love my car, and I'm not bashing it in any way, shape or form. I'm not even bashing the sport auto. I think it's a fine option, it just doesn't suit my driving style. I didn't call the 335 undewhelming(sic) either, or make any criticisms towards it. I think it's an awesome car, and I'm extremely happy with it.

I'm not having buyer's remorse. I am just getting advice on my options on getting back into a 6MT.
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Since you're planning on getting an ///M3 in 2015 my advice is suck it up until then. Don't dig the hole any deeper. 2,200 miles in one month. You now own a used car. Worse yet,though you just bought it, it is a 2012 and we are well into the 2013 model year. My guess is on trade you could expect around $5,000 less than invoice. Maybe a little more. Maybe less. Certainly more than a $1,500 loss.

At 2,200 miles a month you will take a serious smack down if you trade it in six months.

Your auto v manual remorse will lessen with time. You may even come to appreciate the auto more during your daily commute. You'll be thrilled out of your mind in 2015 to get back to a manual, and not just any manual, but an ///M3 manual!!

Thanks for the reply. No way I'd take a 5K hit, doesn't make any sense. If that's the case, then the best course of action is probably wait 2 years and pick up a 2015 M3, which was the plan anyway when I purchased my car. (I just thought I would warm up more to the sport auto). I suppose it will lessen over time, and I do appreciate the auto in bumper traffic on the Penn TP, it has made the commute easier on my left leg.
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One consideration. It looks like MT is becoming more and more scarce as time goes by. There's no guarantee that a 6MT M3 will even exist in 2015.

Hell, I'm glad I got my RWD with 6MT, and didn't want for the xDrive, as the x does NOT come with 6MT.

Mercedes Benz, who I briefly looked at before getting my BMW didn't offer manual in ANYTHING for 2012, although I believe this has changed somewhat.

I guess what I'm saying is, if you wait a few years, it may be that much more difficult to find a MT period.
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One consideration. It looks like MT is becoming more and more scarce as time goes by. There's no guarantee that a 6MT M3 will even exist in 2015.

Hell, I'm glad I got my RWD with 6MT, and didn't want for the xDrive, as the x does NOT come with 6MT.

Mercedes Benz, who I briefly looked at before getting my BMW didn't offer manual in ANYTHING for 2012, although I believe this has changed somewhat.

I guess what I'm saying is, if you wait a few years, it may be that much more difficult to find a MT period.
I'd be shocked and extremely disappointed if the 15 M3 was DCT only. I can't see BMW ever fully doing away with manuals. BMWs are like Porsche in that regard, a strong history of having access to MTs, where MB/Lexus have ignored that segment mostly. Anyway If that were to happen, I suppose I'd be relegated to owning pre-owned 10-12 M3 .

BTW: Xdrive's can come with 6MT, the 13 335i xdrive M-line was a 6MT.
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Since you're planning on getting an ///M3 in 2015 my advice is suck it up until then. Don't dig the hole any deeper. 2,200 miles in one month. You now own a used car. Worse yet,though you just bought it, it is a 2012 and we are well into the 2013 model year. My guess is on trade you could expect around $5,000 less than invoice. Maybe a little more. Maybe less. Certainly more than a $1,500 loss.

At 2,200 miles a month you will take a serious smack down if you trade it in six months.

Your auto v manual remorse will lessen with time. You may even come to appreciate the auto more during your daily commute. You'll be thrilled out of your mind in 2015 to get back to a manual, and not just any manual, but an ///M3 manual!!
Assuming the new M3 will have a manual. The current M5 does come with a manual, but as Carlos Lagos indicated, it was an afterthought.
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Sorry to hear your not liking the automatic. I am coming from a s2000 and I cant wait to get behind the auto. While I loved the s2000, I hate shifting all the time and not being able to relax when I want to.
Same here, love the 6mt but its wearing me out in city driving.
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2. Buy that car cheap, mod it, make it a project.

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1. Figure out what your dream MT car built between 1992-2007 was.

2. Buy that car cheap, mod it, make it a project.

3. Drive it on weekends.

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I've flirted with this idea. It's an easy choice, 01-05 M3. The car that originally made me become obsessed with getting a BMW as opposed to thinking they were just yuppie status cars(which I did)
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Quick update:

I had decided to keep my vehicle and stick with my original plan of saving up for a '15 M3. Talked to my CA today and he thinks he can get me closer to what I paid then I thought (within 3000). He said he is going to try and get me into that 13 M-Sport for close to invoice and with the holiday cash savings, to make up most of what I would lose on a trade-in. Maybe there's some leverage there, since they've had it awhile?

Probably a long shot so I'm not holding my breath but if its true and can get me into that car for around 670-680 a month, I may do it. That's what I would have been paying anyway had I gone that route to start. If I can get the options I have now and trade the sport auto for the 6mt...giddy up! (I wish they could just exchange it out of my car, everything else I have is perfect) hehe.
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Quick update:

I had decided to keep my vehicle and stick with my original plan of saving up for a '15 M3. Talked to my CA today and he thinks he can get me closer to what I paid then I thought (within 3000). He said he is going to try and get me into that 13 M-Sport for close to invoice and with the holiday cash savings, to make up most of what I would lose on a trade-in. Maybe there's some leverage there, since they've had it awhile?

Probably a long shot so I'm not holding my breath but if its true and can get me into that car for around 670-680 a month, I may do it. That's what I would have been paying anyway had I gone that route to start. If I can get the options I have now and trade the sport auto for the 6mt...giddy up! (I wish they could just exchange it out of my car, everything else I have is perfect) hehe.
Yes, I agree there is some "leverage" there since they've had it in stock a while. I meant to mention in my original post that that car would probably be your best bet for being able to make a somewhat reasonable trade. I forgot to do that. Good luck.
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Mercedes Benz, who I briefly looked at before getting my BMW didn't offer manual in ANYTHING for 2012, although I believe this has changed somewhat.
Don't think anything has changed...no manual on any MB in the US.
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I feel you on wanting the manual transmission. I'm not trying to be rude but you hope to trade in a $50,000 plus car for another one and only lose $1500??? I'd say if the dealer really wanted to help you out and they were going to make decent money on the next car, you may get out losing $4k. Just my estimate.





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1st off, I am not having buyer's remorse. I absolutely love my car. I just putting this out for some advice on what I think my options are ,and what others would do. Maybe I'm overlooking something.

However.

I came from a 6MT. I gave the sport auto a chance. It's been a month, and while the sport auto is fun to drive, I just haven't been able to get over the fact I'm missing out. I've lost that connection to the vehicle that only a 6MT can provide. When I was initially debating purchase, I was trying to choose between a 13 335ix M-line w/6MT and my car (12 335i sport line w/sport auto). I preferred the Sport line look (My car would be perfect with the 6MT, but I know, it's not). I don't prefer it enough over a 6MT. I thought I could. I was wrong.

I've also been looking at E46 M3s, Z4s, Boxers, etc...on carguru/cars/autotrader/clist, etc...to pickup a secondary car with a 6MT to get my fix.

Do I:

1. See what kind of hit I would take by going back to the dealer and trying to get into the 13? (They still have it) (Another twist on this, do I just friggin build one myself, so i get exactly what I want?)

2. Do I pickup a secondary car with a 6MT? (The more costly option, though I like the idea of owning an older M3. Then again, I had already planned to get an M3 in 2015, so does that even make sense?) I don't know if i want to wait 2 years to get back into a 6MT. then again, My car is an awesome daily driver and the auto in heavy traffic does make the commute easier, so keeping my car isn't a bad thing. I was leaning towards this option , but option one probably cost me around 10K . This one is around 20-25K, and that doesn't include insurance on another car. That part I don't like so much.

3. Do Nothing (not like I'm miserable or anything, I love my car, I just know I'm not loving it as much as I should) and get a 6MT in 2013, like a 2 series, or another 335?


The increased car payment going up to a 13 is not a huge concern, I'm still under what I was expecting to be, but what I'm more concerned about is taking a huge hit, and losing a significant sum of money since its only been a month. How much can I expect to lose? (I did get a nice deal on my car, about 4K under expected MSRP) Do I need to go to a different dealer to try to recoup as much of that as I can? My thinking was as long as what I lose is under 1500, I could probably live with that. If it's a lot higher, then I don't think it'd be worth it. If I decided to go for option 1, I need to do it soon, as I drive a lot. (2200 miles in the first month)

Lesson Learned. For any who read this who are going through the purchasing process. Get the car you want.
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I've never in over 20 years of buying cars, bought an automatic transmission car. However, the 8 speed auto was good in the 328i when I test drove one (no manual available at my dealer) that I literally had to go home and sleep on it before I could decide on what to order! I ended up going with the manual out of fear of regretting being stuck in an automatic that I wasn't sure I'd like in the long run for 36 months. My advice would be to put your car in sport mode all the time and drive it to death! Get the M3 when you are ready down the line. Enjoy your amazing car for now.




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No, it's not the same thing. I said several times that I love my car, and I'm not bashing it in any way, shape or form. I'm not even bashing the sport auto. I think it's a fine option, it just doesn't suit my driving style. I didn't call the 335 undewhelming(sic) either, or make any criticisms towards it. I think it's an awesome car, and I'm extremely happy with it.

I'm not having buyer's remorse. I am just getting advice on my options on getting back into a 6MT.
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Old 12-04-2012, 08:28 PM
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BTW, I'm at the other end...I get stuck in analysis/paralysis and never end up actually buying until I have no choice. My last 2 cars were bought only after the outgoing car had become undriveable. I think it's much better to make a decision if it's a mistake as in your case. I hope that doesn't happen this time around, but there's no telling.

If I were in your situation, I would probably have tried to live with the car as is. I would focus on what's right with it...8-speed state of the art, better gas mileage than manual, better 0-60 time. If you get used to it, you might choose DCT with the M3...sounds like the financial incentive for manual is going away anyway.

If looking for a "fix", you should definitely look at the Miata...it would probably give you much more than a fix, but at least for me, it's not practical as an only car.
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You answered your own question....get the one you want.

I would say I'm in the same boat as you are but at least I still have my old car which is a MT.
For those looking for a little faster 0-60 time, the sport auto/auto would shift/be faster than a MT.
To its credit, the sport auto is smooth, shifts quick and responsive.
For sure my next BMW would be a MT...whenever that may be.
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Mein Auto: '11 E93 335is & '08 535xi
I bought my 335is with a DCT and wish I had a MT. I'm reading where some posters say they don't miss not having a MT, but it's in the blood for some others who are using their sports sedan for the practical side as well as to enjoy it for the fun side of driving.

I made the mistake of getting the car with a DCT because I find it boring. I can understand that sometimes it's a PITA to drive a MT when you're stuck in heavy traffic, but then there are those other times when you find open roads to play on that only a MT can satisfy.
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Old 12-05-2012, 12:55 AM
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Mein Auto: 2013 328i m-sport EB2
keep the car. buy a cheap MT car like a miata (a 2004-2006 one will probably cost approximately what your loss trading this 2012 for a 2013 will be ~$9000).

in 2015 sell both cars and get that m3.
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