Welcome to Bimmerfest -- The #1 Online Community for BMW related information! Please enjoy the discussion forums below and share your experiences with the 200,000 current, new and past BMW owners. The forums are broken out by car model and into other special interest sections such as BMW European Delivery and a special forum to voice your questions to the many BMW dealers on the site to assist our members!

Please follow the links below to help get you started!

Go Back   Bimmerfest - BMW Forums > BMW Model Discussions > X Series > X3 F25 (2011 - current)

X3 F25 (2011 - current)
The latest X3 brings some added style and some new features to the BMW SUV family. Talk about the new F25 now!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 12-01-2012, 01:32 PM
zerovector zerovector is online now
Registered User
Location: South California
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 77
Mein Auto: BMW
X3 or wagon

I have to admit I'm tempted to get an X3 with the holiday credit + USAA + loyalty + bmw ultimate drive app.... BUT... is anyone else excited for the upcoming F31 wagon? The MSport wagon looks so cool.

I do like the MSport X3 as well, I've been on the fence for quite some time about ordering one. I have a baby due in January so I'm not sure I want to wait that long but the wagon actually looks cool for once. The wife and I have been sharing the car and I've heard they are going to announce wagon availability dates and pricing in January, with possible April deliveries. We've been a one car family since May of this year and I'm not sure how much longer I can wait

Does anyone have an MSport with Dynamic Handling (28 or 35) that could comment on the feel of driving it? I've driven an MSport without dynamic handling and thought it handled pretty well, but, I have never owned an SUV before.

The only things that bothered me were some of the noise from the run-flats and a strange wind noise at about 30-35mph that I heard when city driving.
Reply With Quote
Advertisement
  #2  
Old 12-02-2012, 03:34 AM
nhman nhman is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Northeast
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 626
Mein Auto: 2013 M3 coupe ZCP DCT
Quote:
Originally Posted by zerovector View Post
I have to admit I'm tempted to get an X3 with the holiday credit + USAA + loyalty + bmw ultimate drive app.... BUT... is anyone else excited for the upcoming F31 wagon? The MSport wagon looks so cool.

I do like the MSport X3 as well, I've been on the fence for quite some time about ordering one. I have a baby due in January so I'm not sure I want to wait that long but the wagon actually looks cool for once. The wife and I have been sharing the car and I've heard they are going to announce wagon availability dates and pricing in January, with possible April deliveries. We've been a one car family since May of this year and I'm not sure how much longer I can wait

Does anyone have an MSport with Dynamic Handling (28 or 35) that could comment on the feel of driving it? I've driven an MSport without dynamic handling and thought it handled pretty well, but, I have never owned an SUV before.

The only things that bothered me were some of the noise from the run-flats and a strange wind noise at about 30-35mph that I heard when city driving.

I don't, yet, own an X3 but have the same opinion that from pictures I like the styling of the 3 series (F31) wagon vs. the X3. I came to the same conclusion when recently looking at the Audi Q5 vs. Allroad. However with the same level of equipment the Allroad was $3k USD higher. Not sure why but with more interior space the Q5, IMO, was a better value. I say this wondering if the same will be true of the BMW's.

With the upcoming F31/3-series wagon, the unknown is the release date, available equipment and pricing. I guess it depends on your situation and by extension timeline for needing a vehicle. If you can wait until more information is released on the wagon, it could work in your favor.

All things being equal in-terms of pricing, equipment, etc., I believe that I would go with the wagon. But the X3 is a great alternative.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 12-02-2012, 04:59 AM
x3brian x3brian is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Sacramento CA
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 989
Mein Auto: X3
I would go for the wagon if ED and MT are your bag...you can't have either with the x3. The touring model in the past has always been available to order as MT...hopefully bmw doesn't axe that one.

Other than that its a toss up and it really is a lifestyle preference (which will you feel better in). I will tell you this though, there will always be more x3s on the road than touring models as the take rate in the US has always been low.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 12-02-2012, 07:45 AM
UncleJ UncleJ is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Silicon Valley
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 6,554
Mein Auto: '06 X3
With a baby due next month -- the X3 now is the best bet. You will need the increased cabin room for all the baby stuff -- amazing how much impedimentia the little folks need -- or Mom "says they need"! Just be sure when you buy your infant seat it will fit in the back seat of the X3 -- most baby places will allow you to "fit the seat" before you buy. I hate to mention this -- but now your "911 days" are over, you will be looking at more practical transportation (dare I say it -- like MiniVans in the future) so hard riding sports suspensions (that make baby wake up) are verboten. In a few years you can get your "911" again while the wife drives the van.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 12-02-2012, 09:00 AM
AzNMpower32's Avatar
AzNMpower32 AzNMpower32 is offline
Tar Heel Faithful
Location: WNC
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 13,988
Send a message via AIM to AzNMpower32
Mein Auto: 2014 Mazda3 GT
I would go for the wagon. I've driven with the F25 and the F30 328i and while I came away impressed with the latter, the X3 just didn't seem particularly outstanding when I drove it in neither interior quality nor driving dynamics. Admittedly the 328i I drove was a manual transmission but the chassis and handling felt more solid and enjoyable in the bends. The X3 felt well.......just like "any other" luxury SUV on the market.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 12-02-2012, 10:40 AM
zerovector zerovector is online now
Registered User
Location: South California
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 77
Mein Auto: BMW
Quote:
Originally Posted by nhman View Post
I don't, yet, own an X3 but have the same opinion that from pictures I like the styling of the 3 series (F31) wagon vs. the X3. I came to the same conclusion when recently looking at the Audi Q5 vs. Allroad. However with the same level of equipment the Allroad was $3k USD higher. Not sure why but with more interior space the Q5, IMO, was a better value. I say this wondering if the same will be true of the BMW's.

With the upcoming F31/3-series wagon, the unknown is the release date, available equipment and pricing. I guess it depends on your situation and by extension timeline for needing a vehicle. If you can wait until more information is released on the wagon, it could work in your favor.

All things being equal in-terms of pricing, equipment, etc., I believe that I would go with the wagon. But the X3 is a great alternative.
I've driven the Q5 and could pick up a slightly used one for a good price. I prefer the X3 over the Q5 though. For me, the all-road is out of the question. I don't like the styling and IMO it's way overpriced. Can't believe they would ditch the A4 Avant for that!
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 12-02-2012, 11:01 AM
AzNMpower32's Avatar
AzNMpower32 AzNMpower32 is offline
Tar Heel Faithful
Location: WNC
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 13,988
Send a message via AIM to AzNMpower32
Mein Auto: 2014 Mazda3 GT
Quote:
Originally Posted by zerovector View Post
I've driven the Q5 and could pick up a slightly used one for a good price. I prefer the X3 over the Q5 though. For me, the all-road is out of the question. I don't like the styling and IMO it's way overpriced. Can't believe they would ditch the A4 Avant for that!
Or wait for the Q5 diesel, isn't that coming out in 2013?
__________________
Current consumption: 2014 Mazda3 GT
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 12-02-2012, 04:10 PM
Runon MD1 Runon MD1 is offline
Runon MD1
Location: Rancho Santa Fe, CA
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 440
Send a message via AIM to Runon MD1
Mein Auto: 335i Sedan
X3 or wagon

I believe that the Audi X5 diesel is already being produced, and if not in dealer showrooms by now, should be in January.

And Audi has really "thrown down," having committed to diesels across the board (and pond), with multiple diesels coming to the US in 2013.

Hopefully BMW will do so as well, though, for the moment, it seems to have taken the Active Hybrid path.

Richard
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 12-02-2012, 04:56 PM
kosmo kosmo is offline
Registered User
Location: Hood River, Oregon
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 92
Mein Auto: 128
Personally, I'd pick the wagon or an X1 over the X3. The new 3 wagon looks beautiful, and the X3's feel has just "grown" a bit bigger than what I'm looking for.

But......the new wagon in AWD will probably be priced slightly HIGHER than the X3, and my dealer says that while nothing is firm yet, the MT is "pretty unlikely".
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 12-02-2012, 05:29 PM
UncleJ UncleJ is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Silicon Valley
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 6,554
Mein Auto: '06 X3
The Q5 diesel may be a game changer~! I have read it may be in the states by mid year. The GLK BluTech is also due soon, but that will be a 4 potter and the car is smaller than either the X3 or Q5. Still great fuel mileage I'll bet!

Last edited by UncleJ; 12-02-2012 at 05:37 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 12-02-2012, 05:49 PM
nhman nhman is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Northeast
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 626
Mein Auto: 2013 M3 coupe ZCP DCT
The diesel option for the Q5 is still 1 year away. Current additions were the 3.0T replacing the 3.2 and a hybrid. The 3.0T is a great engine and is now just arriving in the states. But if I read it correctly, BMW will also be introducing their diesel engine to the X3 and 3-series wagon.

I don't own a Q5 but my wife has a A4 2.0T and we seriously considered the Q5. While there a many positives, we are leaning toward the X3 28i.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 12-03-2012, 10:28 AM
zerovector zerovector is online now
Registered User
Location: South California
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 77
Mein Auto: BMW
Quote:
Originally Posted by nhman View Post
The diesel option for the Q5 is still 1 year away. Current additions were the 3.0T replacing the 3.2 and a hybrid. The 3.0T is a great engine and is now just arriving in the states. But if I read it correctly, BMW will also be introducing their diesel engine to the X3 and 3-series wagon.

I don't own a Q5 but my wife has a A4 2.0T and we seriously considered the Q5. While there a many positives, we are leaning toward the X3 28i.
Same here. I don't hate the Q5, I think it's a good car and it's been a good seller for Audi. That being said, I personally felt the X3 drove better. While the interior of the Audi is nice, the plastics look a bit cheap to me. The X3 interior is no amazing thing either, but I believe the fit and finish beats out the Audi.

The thing that attracted me initially to the Audi was it's looks and it's price point. They also don't make packages-galore like BMW does. They have a few simple packages. BMW bends you over for the 5 features you must have and separates them in to 5 packages.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 12-03-2012, 12:35 PM
colson79 colson79 is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Wisconsin
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 187
Mein Auto: 2012 X3 35i
Quote:
Originally Posted by AzNMpower32 View Post
I would go for the wagon. I've driven with the F25 and the F30 328i and while I came away impressed with the latter, the X3 just didn't seem particularly outstanding when I drove it in neither interior quality nor driving dynamics. Admittedly the 328i I drove was a manual transmission but the chassis and handling felt more solid and enjoyable in the bends. The X3 felt well.......just like "any other" luxury SUV on the market.
I couldn't disagree more with this statement. The X3 is my first SUV and I test drove at least 10 different SUV's while I was trying to decided what do get and X3 was completely different than any of the others I test. The handling and acceleration was far better than anything else.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 12-04-2012, 07:33 AM
UncleJ UncleJ is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Silicon Valley
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 6,554
Mein Auto: '06 X3
FWIW I spent two days in a new Q5 2.0 service loaner while the wife's A4 was getting some maintentance work. I was very impressed with the car -- to the point that it immediately went on my "short list" for consideration when I dump my X3. Even the 2.0 had lots of power and I can only imagine how the 3.0TDI would be! I liked everything about the car, including the ride over rough and nasty pavement -- one of my peeves with the X3. The interior looked luxo and appeared to be of well wearing materials. All in all in my personal view I found the Audi to be superior to the new X3 in all aspects except for engine performance. Hard to beat the BMW mill. But that alone would not keep me in a BMW, it is the rest of the stuff that I liked better. Oh yes, Audi offers a three year free full maintenance program too (at least at this dealer).

Last edited by UncleJ; 12-04-2012 at 07:36 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 12-04-2012, 11:25 AM
Want the Thrill Want the Thrill is online now
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Michigan
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 976
Mein Auto: 2011 X3 35i
Quote:
Originally Posted by UncleJ View Post
FWIW I spent two days in a new Q5 2.0 service loaner while the wife's A4 was getting some maintentance work. I was very impressed with the car -- to the point that it immediately went on my "short list" for consideration when I dump my X3. Even the 2.0 had lots of power and I can only imagine how the 3.0TDI would be! I liked everything about the car, including the ride over rough and nasty pavement -- one of my peeves with the X3. The interior looked luxo and appeared to be of well wearing materials. All in all in my personal view I found the Audi to be superior to the new X3 in all aspects except for engine performance. Hard to beat the BMW mill. But that alone would not keep me in a BMW, it is the rest of the stuff that I liked better. Oh yes, Audi offers a three year free full maintenance program too (at least at this dealer).
I have to say if you have driven the new X3 for any length of time, it rides NOTHING like the previous generation X3. Expansion joints, uneven pavement, potholes, etc are not a problem in the new X3. Drive the 35i for a few days and I think you will like what you see. I also think the Q5 is nice as well so you couldn't go wrong either way.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 12-04-2012, 02:07 PM
nhman nhman is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Northeast
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 626
Mein Auto: 2013 M3 coupe ZCP DCT
Quote:
Originally Posted by UncleJ View Post
Oh yes, Audi offers a three year free full maintenance program too (at least at this dealer).
Their plan is called AudiCare. It is available through any dealer. Cost is around $850. It is similar to BMW's (included) plan except for the coverage of brakes. If leasing, it adds 1% residual.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 12-04-2012, 06:21 PM
Evlengr's Avatar
Evlengr Evlengr is offline
Ukemi - that's how I roll
Location: MD
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 4,252
Mein Auto: 2013 Audi S4 2010 MT MCS
Quote:
Originally Posted by zerovector View Post
I've driven the Q5 and could pick up a slightly used one for a good price. I prefer the X3 over the Q5 though. For me, the all-road is out of the question. I don't like the styling and IMO it's way overpriced. Can't believe they would ditch the A4 Avant for that!
They brought it back...and its F'ing awesome.

And Audicare is 4 years BTW. They will actually cover things bigger than windshield wipers. BMW really doesnt cover the brakes as they will try ever trick in the book to get out of it. Any repair that was more than changing a light bulb I had to fight for. Real pain in the ass.


I asked about driving an Avant while mine is in for its 5000.
__________________
2013 S4 Loaded (and NO RFT's) Awesome is an understatement
2008 MT X3 RIP you were a faithful sidekick and will be missed.
2007 AT X3 RIPOS
2005 GC
2000 Jeep Cherokee
1997 Twin Turbo RX-7
1984 GTI Wolfsburg Edition Neuspeed and more

Last edited by Evlengr; 12-04-2012 at 06:24 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 12-04-2012, 06:54 PM
Want the Thrill Want the Thrill is online now
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Michigan
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 976
Mein Auto: 2011 X3 35i
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evlengr View Post
And Audicare is 4 years BTW.
Did you have to pay for Audicare, or is it free?
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 12-05-2012, 12:23 AM
nhman nhman is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Northeast
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 626
Mein Auto: 2013 M3 coupe ZCP DCT
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evlengr View Post
I asked about driving an Avant while mine is in for its 5000.
Audi doesn't offer the Avant for MY13 only the Allroad (or Q5 and Q7).
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 12-05-2012, 12:27 AM
nhman nhman is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Northeast
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 626
Mein Auto: 2013 M3 coupe ZCP DCT
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evlengr View Post
And Audicare is 4 years BTW. They will actually cover things bigger than windshield wipers. BMW really doesnt cover the brakes as they will try ever trick in the book to get out of it. Any repair that was more than changing a light bulb I had to fight for. Real pain in the ass.
I had a MY08 335i vert. and never had issues with the BMW providing the free service. Same can be said about my wife's previous Audi Q7. I use an Indy shop for her current A4. Perhaps the issues were specific to your experience (tranny aside).
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 12-05-2012, 06:56 AM
UncleJ UncleJ is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Silicon Valley
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 6,554
Mein Auto: '06 X3
"do you have to pay for Audicare or is it free" -- well, nothing really is "free" -- you pay one way or another. BMW includes the cost -- Audi (or at least this dealer) uses it as a "sweetner" for the deal. Kind of like getting floormats from the salesperson.
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 12-05-2012, 06:57 AM
cgrZ4 cgrZ4 is offline
Registered User
Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 29
Mein Auto: Z4
No currency issues to deal with

Several people have given great responses already and I envy your situation because you have 2 great vehicles to choose from. One additional factor you might consider is that the X3 is built in SC, not germany so BMW does not have to deal with the currency differences which probably accounts for some of the pricing difference between the wagon and the X3. BMW's profit margin should be much stronger on the X3. That said you may also be able to work a better deal with your dealer on the X3. We just picked up my wife's new X3 in Spartansburg and planned a short vacation around it. This is the 3rd BMW we have done this with and it's great.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 12-05-2012, 07:06 AM
UncleJ UncleJ is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Silicon Valley
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 6,554
Mein Auto: '06 X3
A much quicker delivery time too!
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 12-05-2012, 07:11 AM
nhman nhman is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Northeast
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 626
Mein Auto: 2013 M3 coupe ZCP DCT
Quote:
Originally Posted by cgrZ4 View Post
Several people have given great responses already and I envy your situation because you have 2 great vehicles to choose from. One additional factor you might consider is that the X3 is built in SC, not germany so BMW does not have to deal with the currency differences which probably accounts for some of the pricing difference between the wagon and the X3. BMW's profit margin should be much stronger on the X3. That said you may also be able to work a better deal with your dealer on the X3. We just picked up my wife's new X3 in Spartansburg and planned a short vacation around it. This is the 3rd BMW we have done this with and it's great.
By Spartansburg, did you take-in the Performance Center Delivery (PCD)? If so, what is the adder for a non-M vehicle? This might be an interesting option should my wife opt for the X3.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 12-05-2012, 08:36 AM
colson79 colson79 is offline
Officially Welcomed to the 'Fest
Location: Wisconsin
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 187
Mein Auto: 2012 X3 35i
I took advantage of the PCD when I got my X3 and it was well worth the trip to me. There isn't any cost to do PCD, you just have to get yourself to Spartanburg. BMW will cover the hotel, dinner, breakfast and pickup from the airport.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Forum Navigation
Go Back   Bimmerfest - BMW Forums > BMW Model Discussions > X Series > X3 F25 (2011 - current)
Today's Posts Search
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On



Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:28 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
© 2001-2011 performanceIX, Inc. All Rights Reserved .: guidelines .:. privacy .:. terms