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E70 BMW X5 produced between 2007 and 2013. Discuss the E70 X5 with other BMW owners here.

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Old 12-02-2012, 08:05 AM
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Old 12-02-2012, 09:14 AM
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I'm down to the next-gen X5, next-gen Q7, A7 TDI, or Cayenne TDI as my next car. If somehow BMW/Audi mess up the Q7/X5, there's a good chance I will ED an Audi A7 TDI or Cayenne Diesel in Germany.

Too bad Porsche doesn't offer any ED discount
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Old 12-02-2012, 09:15 AM
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Included Nav. sun roof ..Porsche Xeon lighting pkg. soft ruffld seats. speed sens. steering Conv.Pkg..MSRP was $63105.00 paid $56895.00
How were you able to get such a great deal? My local dealer laughed when I asked about discounts for the diesel

That being said, the one I want is $71k. I'm not even sure if that includes bluetooth, and such. The online Porsche build-your-own is so damn confusing
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Old 12-02-2012, 09:16 AM
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I have the X5d and I have never driven a Cayenne Diesel but I drove the 2013 Cayenne GTS with the V8 a couple of days ago - my first Cayenne test drive ever. I like my 35d much better in ride, handling and power curve/delivery for every day driving. The interior of the Cayenne is far superior in elegance, quality of materials and just beautiful to look at - on everything else I like my X5d much better, especially the ride handling with AD and non run flats. My guess is that the engine power/delivery for the Porsche diesel must be similar but the handling and ride are most likely worse. BTW, the sticker on that GTS was 104K!
I love my X5, but I'm not sure I buy that the ride/handling is better than the X5. The Porsche is quite a but lighter and above all, it's a Porsche. If they can do one thing well, it is driving dynamics. Same can't be said for BMW anymore
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Old 12-02-2012, 09:22 AM
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I'm down to the next-gen X5, next-gen Q7, A7 TDI, or Cayenne TDI as my next car. If somehow BMW/Audi mess up the Q7/X5, there's a good chance I will ED an Audi A7 TDI or Cayenne Diesel in Germany.

Too bad Porsche doesn't offer any ED discount
They had a discount(think they called it something else) going for ED back when I looked at their diesel SUV. It was nothing significant though.
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Old 12-02-2012, 09:25 AM
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They had a discount(think they called it something else) going for ED back when I looked at their diesel SUV. It was nothing significant though.
They also charge $250 for getting Euro maps on the NAV when you do ED. Ridiculous when Audi, BMW, Mercedes do it for free.
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Old 12-02-2012, 09:35 AM
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They also charge $250 for getting Euro maps on the NAV when you do ED. Ridiculous when Audi, BMW, Mercedes do it for free.
I know nothing about the NAV since never inquired on that from either Mercedes or Porsche which are the two places I have talked to about doing an ED. All I remember for Porsche is they had a discount or credit of some sort, I think it was a couple thousand dollars and you could apply it to the car, to the plane tickets, to hotels or whatever you wanted to do. I maybe even posted the number back when I posted in here about my driving impressions of their diesel SUV. From what little I found online the Porsche dealers can discount a car being ED if they desire to. I'd imagine it is kind of like with Mercedes where for the longest time I kept getting told the deal is with Mercedes direct and not the dealer so they can't discount any more than the 7% then finally I find someone willing to do 9% and then after a long time I find someone else willing to do 11%
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Old 12-02-2012, 01:15 PM
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I love my X5, but I'm not sure I buy that the ride/handling is better than the X5. The Porsche is quite a but lighter and above all, it's a Porsche. If they can do one thing well, it is driving dynamics. Same can't be said for BMW anymore
I agree with you that Porsche's driving dynamics are the best (the Cayman is my favorite) and I'm sure that this Cayenne GTS would have handled better if it had a few more option boxes ticked, like the one that takes care of body roll which I asked and it didn't have - and the ride would have been better too (maybe) if the wheels had been smaller . . but .. .. as I drove it my X5 is better. As far as the weight difference, yes it's lighter and feels lighter. In fact, it feels like a car with an overboosted power steering. Even the sitting position is so low with the ride height set to low that it feels like a tall car/crossover type and not an SUV.

I am thinking about replacing my 550 with an M5 but I like my wife's X5 so much that I thought that perhaps the Cayenne GTS would be as exciting as the M5 or even my 550. I'm so glad I drove it since it took away all thoughts I had of getting a Porsche SUV.

Finally, I don't like the X5M because it rides like a truck and it looks the same as the one I have, and the Porsche Cayenne Turbo gets to about $160K when I tick all the boxes with the stuff I want - and it is the biggest gas hog of them all
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Old 12-03-2012, 11:14 AM
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Cayenne GTS will run circles around an X5 35d, at any speed.

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So will the Porsche Hybrid. BTW: anyone tried one? Soooo much fun
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Old 12-06-2012, 10:15 PM
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So will the Porsche Hybrid. BTW: anyone tried one? Soooo much fun
Yes, and sooooo expensive.

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Old 12-06-2012, 11:20 PM
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Yes, and sooooo expensive.

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I completely agree. Hybrid is way too expensive. The diesel is much more comparable priced except it does not have active anti-roll bar from their website. That's the key technology which makes cornering much more fun. It was the main reason why I removed Porsche out of equation.

Of course, Porsche is more expensive in Package than BMW. Their active anti-roll bar is $3.5k option alone and you have to add air suspension which is another $3.98k. Their air suspension system is far superior to BMW X5. It actually adjust heights of the car. Then again, I am not sure how important is height adjustment.

I can't wait to see what 2014 X5 looks like. Given the current trend in BMW, I don't believe I will regret my decision to get it early. Only time will tell.
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Old 12-06-2012, 11:56 PM
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Their air suspension system is far superior to BMW X5. It actually adjust heights of the car. Then again, I am not sure how important is height adjustment.
For off-roading, height adjustable suspension is very handy. My LR4 has it and it saved my butt once when I got stuck on a rock I couldn't see under a snow drift--it also has a mode where it senses when you are stuck and can raise you up a couple inches further than the max height setting. It saved us in the middle of a snowstorm at 2am one night. Really cool stuff!

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Old 12-07-2012, 07:43 AM
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For off-roading, height adjustable suspension is very handy. My LR4 has it and it saved my butt once when I got stuck on a rock I couldn't see under a snow drift--it also has a mode where it senses when you are stuck and can raise you up a couple inches further than the max height setting. It saved us in the middle of a snowstorm at 2am one night. Really cool stuff!
I'd have to agree. When I drove the Cayenne Diesel in Alaska, it had the height-adjustable suspension and I used it to raise the vehicle several inches when crawling through a creek bed and I dropped it down to the ground for high-speed cruising (not only does it lower the center of gravity, but the Cd will actually drop to improve fuel economy). I'm a fan of height-adjustable suspension.

I also see no reason to purchase a Cayenne Hybrid.

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Old 12-07-2012, 08:59 AM
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....or a VW T-egg hybrid either!
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Old 12-07-2012, 09:01 AM
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....or a VW T-egg hybrid either!
+100.

I recently had one for a week. Lousy fuel economy and dated technology (compared to the most innovative hybrids today).

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+100.

I recently had one for a week. Lousy fuel economy and dated technology (compared to the most innovative hybrids today).

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Dated technology? If you're referring to a synergy drive the Touareg Hybrid was not meant for fuel economy or being "green", in fact it is a replacement for a V8 gasser, a VW way of "sneaking" it into US. Considering that it is a mirror image of Porsche Hybrid (less clothing) for a $25k less MSRP plus the discounts you can get on it now, I'd say it's a steal of a deal. This thing is a wolf in a sheep's clothing or more like a warewolf since it can be both, an animal and a civilized decent MPG SUV.



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So will the Porsche Hybrid. BTW: anyone tried one? Soooo much fun
Porsche is having a hard time selling their Hybrids. A dealer said that 6% off list is all they could go on the v6 & Diesel versions but if I was interested in a Hybrid, he could get me a well equipped one for $25K off MSRP. It brought the price down a LOT but it was still about $4K more than the Diesel and the Diesel get better fuel economy.
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It brought the price down a LOT but it was still about $4K more than the Diesel and the Diesel get better fuel economy.
But which one is more fun to drive?
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But which one is more fun to drive?
Correction. It was $14K more which made the Fun aspect irrelevant.
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Correction. It was $14K more which made the Fun aspect irrelevant.
I was only asking because it read like the fuel economy was relevant. So left me wondering which though was more fun to drive.
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Never could see the use of those "big" hybrids -- VW, Porsche, Lexus, 'slade, etc. They just don't get enough added mileage to justify the expense, and complicated drivetrain for limited performance gains. I would much rather have a Cayenne S than a hybrid.
Mike, nice review on the retro 302! Now then when do we get a retro "John Milner series" deuce coupe -- that one would be fun!
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Old 12-10-2012, 10:21 PM
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Never could see the use of those "big" hybrids -- VW, Porsche, Lexus, 'slade, etc. They just don't get enough added mileage to justify the expense, and complicated drivetrain for limited performance gains. I would much rather have a Cayenne S than a hybrid.
Mike, nice review on the retro 302! Now then when do we get a retro "John Milner series" deuce coupe -- that one would be fun!
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Chuck - great link! I drive that "Paradise Road" stretch frequently on the way to the raceway at Sears Point -- always think of that scene in the movie. Great flick a good snapshot of how we wanted it to be "back in the day" in NorCal.
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