335is or an M3

Good Luck

BTW might be nice to list your mods for those following the thread.

Originally Posted by bear-avhistory

Good Luck

BTW might be nice to list your mods for those following the thread.

Done, added to my sig

Originally Posted by bear-avhistory

Depends what your objectives are. If you want the best track day car get them M3. If you want the car that will show its tail lights to the other on the street get a 335IS & $1100 worth of parts. JB4 G5/ISO + FMIC. I drove both cars & felt for my DD use, street & occasional 1/4’ @ Rockingham & Fayetteville, the 335IS was the best package. Real life against a number of V8 & I6 M3’s has verified that I choose wisely. Be interesting to see a track day at VIR how much real advantage the M3 has in the hands of Average Joe non pro drivers who will not push much over 7-8/10ths.

Will take a close look at the M3 turbo coupes when they come out because it will most likely be a great dual purpose car.

I know the JB4 but what are G5/ISO + FMIC?
I have a e92 335i and Im planning on savinf for a tune at this time.
Can you guys give me an opinion on wether I should get JB4 or giac tuning?
Thanks

G5 is the new circuit board that is now standard in the JB4. It has more processor speed & memory than the G4 or original board. ISO is a beta system that is being tested that divorces boost control from the stock ECU.

FMIC = Front Mounted Inter Cooler. I have replaced the stock unit for a higher capacity one. I got the JB4 because it best suited what I wanted to do, has the largest user base & IMHO has the best product support.

Originally Posted by bear-avhistory

G5 is the new circuit board that is now standard in the JB4. It has more processor speed & memory than the G4 or original board. ISO is a beta system that is being tested that divorces boost control from the stock ECU.

FMIC = Front Mounted Inter Cooler. I have replaced the stock unit for a higher capacity one. I got the JB4 because it best suited what I wanted to do, has the largest user base & IMHO has the best produce support.

Is there any data showing pressure differential between in and out on your IC? How about delta t?

I will have to go on my "car" laptop & pull down a log file. IIRC the pressure differential in/out is minimal & about average for aftermarket FMIC's. The temp delta on 1/4 mile runs against a base line is significant as well as on the street in normal driving. The logs in CSV format (excel) which I posted on N54tech.com show ambient & outlet temps by time & RPM.

There are a number of units with higher capacity but with my intended horsepower gain & desire to fit the cooler without cutting the shrouds or removing the bumper the ETS 5" unit was the best compromise. Install took me about an hour.

EDIT: Delta at the end of the run was 32 degrees.

Originally Posted by bear-avhistory

I will have to go on my "car" laptop & pull down a log file. IIRC the pressure differential in/out is minimal & about average for aftermarket FMIC's. The temp delta on 1/4 mile runs against a base line is significant as well as on the street in normal driving. The logs in CSV format (excel) which I posted on N54tech.com show ambient & outlet temps by time & RPM.

There are a number of units with higher capacity but with my intended horsepower gain & desire to fit the cooler without cutting the shrouds or removing the bumper the ETS 5" unit was the best compromise. Install took me about an hour.

EDIT: Delta at the end of the run was 32 degrees.

Sounds like a good cooler. Did you notice any turbo lag at all with the larger unit? Having a larger capacity it would take a longer time to reach a higher pressure, but the lag might be imperceptible.

No but that could be the function of the JB4 which has lag adjustments in its software. It hits very hard if you punch it, biggest issue is traction. The FMIC might not be the best plan for a pure stock 335i but might be good for a stock 335is because of its higher boost levels.

Originally Posted by ChrisJ951

Hi Guys and Girls. This is my first post on this site. I'm an active member of the Porsche forum called Rennlist. I'm in the process of selling my 1986 Porsche 944 Turbo that I have spent a ton building a new motor for. Dyno'd at over 400 rwhp. Anyhow, I love the car but the platform is almost 30 years old and I want something newer.

I had an 07 335i sedan when they first came out and aside from the HPFP problem, it was a great car.

I'm looking at either an 11 or 12 335is or an 08 or 09 M3. They are similar in price. I'd get the DCT because it'll be my daily driver and a traditional manual in metro Atlanta traffic isn't a good choice.

I know a ton about both cars, driven both cars, love both cars. I know there is more potential in the 335is for modifications but the M3 is just a sick car.

I'd like peoples thoughts on what they would do.

Thanks,
Chris

Daily driver = 335is
Track duty = M3

Sorry guys, totol newb here, and this thread is ginormous!

What are the significant differances between the 335 in standar trim, 335is m sport, and the m3?
We just picked up a 335is m sport and were wondering what we really got? Is this the middle ground car the fine line between track and street, or just a gimmick?

Thanks very much, sorry for the question, im sure its been covered, i just need a synapses

Jason

Originally Posted by bmwinning

Sorry guys, totol newb here, and this thread is ginormous!

What are the significant differances between the 335 in standar trim, 335is m sport, and the m3?
We just picked up a 335is m sport and were wondering what we really got? Is this the middle ground car the fine line between track and street, or just a gimmick?

Thanks very much, sorry for the question, im sure its been covered, i just need a synapses

335i & 335is have identical suspensions. 335is engine mildly and significantly enhanced.

M3 has a much better suspension and a naturally aspirated V8; loves >4k rpm.

"What's that mean?" you say. Well, M3 feels and is vastly more competent on the road. Thus, premium price. Very rewarding on country roads or any time the suspension is asked to do something.

335i[s] can be modded to go faster than M3; can easily be fitted with M3 suspension parts - it's the same core really - just R&R w/M + 3rd party parts. Most are inhibited by the down time + expense of that.

Down low, 335i[s] can out-pull M3, yielding a bigger smile. Modded that only gets better.

Your thoughts?



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There have been several in-depth discussions in this thread and in this forum in the past. Do a forum search about the 335is or Google it to find articles that describe the 335is in detail.

335is "M Sport?? Never head of it.

Originally Posted by CALWATERBOY

You'll want some parts to make the 335is a contender. Just a few....$7500 min part cost....JB4 + Bavarian Technic gives you extensive control of car's parameters, much much more than most are aware exist. Meth for that special feeling of confidence.

In those respects N54 335i or 335is is a very engaging machine to personalize.

Major mod for the M is a $10k supercharger, but it elevates you to very rarified air, a place where 335i[s] will never be.

What're your thoughts now?

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http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7...20-horsepower/

Or the Gpower one for +$47000 + you gotta ship the car back to Germany

Originally Posted by CALWATERBOY

335i & 335is have identical suspensions. 335is engine mildly and significantly enhanced.

M3 has a much better suspension and a naturally aspirated V8; loves >4k rpm.

"What's that mean?" you say. Well, M3 feels and is vastly more competent on the road. Thus, a premium price. Very rewarding on country roads or any time the suspension is asked to do something.

335i[s] can be modded to go faster than M3; can easily be fitted with M3 suspension parts - it's the same core really - just R&R w/M + 3rd party parts. Most are inhibited by the down time + expense of that.

Down low, 335i[s] can out-pull M3, yielding a bigger smile. Modded that only gets better.

Your thoughts?

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Thanks for the response!

Thoughts, hmmm. Well, i wasnt aware that the M was a n/a platform, so right there im glad we got the 335is.
The car we got is an "M sport" package, it felt significantly better than a standard 335, it says M on the door sills, steering wheel, and has staggered 19"M wheels, so i "believe" this car has M suspension already? I dont know fer sure though, is there any identifying visual cues the m suspension has that could help me to identify which suspension package the car has?

The car also has a black grille, mirrors and dual exhaust tips, the black looks sweet with the alpine white!

Thanks again for the help! I will try to post some pics later today, proof 'n'all for y'all....

Jason

Originally Posted by furby076

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7...20-horsepower/

Or the Gpower one for +$47000 + you gotta ship the car back to Germany

My thought on that are

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Nice car, my duramax could take it in a 1/4 mi though

And a built engine, ie rods and pistons, and some valvetrain and head work, some fuel mods and bigger turbos and i guarantee more than 720hp, i had a turbo charged inline six, from a jeep cherokee in a f body that made 690 to the wheels, so i know whar rarified air smells like.....

Car does not have an "M" suspension, just some "M" trim pieces

Originally Posted by CALWATERBOY

335i & 335is have identical suspensions. 335is engine mildly and significantly enhanced.

M3 has a much better suspension and a naturally aspirated V8; loves >4k rpm.

"What's that mean?" you say. Well, M3 feels and is vastly more competent on the road. Thus, a premium price. Very rewarding on country roads or any time the suspension is asked to do something.

335i[s] can be modded to go faster than M3; can easily be fitted with M3 suspension parts - it's the same core really - just R&R w/M + 3rd party parts. Most are inhibited by the down time + expense of that.

Down low, 335i[s] can out-pull M3, yielding a bigger smile. Modded that only gets better.

Your thoughts?

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Yeah not to mention ESS Even the best mods on the n54 won't touch that.

Originally Posted by superterp

yeah not to mention ess Even the best mods on the n54 won't touch that.

ess?

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Edit: OK, is this weird or what? Capitalized "ESS" is always brought to lower case on Bimmerfest. Unless in quotes. Whaaaaa?

Originally Posted by bmwinning

The car we got is an "M sport" package, it felt significantly better than a standard 335, it says M on the door sills, steering wheel, and has staggered 19"M wheels, so i "believe" this car has M suspension already? I dont know fer sure though, is there any identifying visual cues the m suspension has that could help me to identify which suspension package the car has?

Not even close. Hey, drive a M3 - you'll feel the difference immediately, parking lot speed. Gets real impressive from there.

Originally Posted by CALWATERBOY

ess?

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Edit: OK, is this weird or what? Capitalized "ESS" is always brought to lower case on Bimmerfest. Unless in quotes. Whaaaaa?

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http://www.esstuning.com/products/E9...er-System.html

First mod I'd do if I had an m3.

Originally Posted by SuperTerp

Yeah not to mention ESS Even the best mods on the n54 won't touch that.

You think? Terry's N54 @ the airport run two weeks back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=qJ_sMbPFsxQ

Ok, the white car seen through the drivers window of the in car cam was a turbo 135 with meth, and what ecaxtly was the car with the in cab cam, a supercharged m3???

Wouldn't suprise me, modern turbos and tuning are beyond imperssive, not the turbo tech from yesteryear, fer sure, not that supercharger design hasn't come a long way too, i just like turbo chargers

The camera car is the supercharged M3 was driven by Longboarder his record for the day was very good except for the two losses to Terry's 135.

GTR L
C63 AMG W
911/996TW
GTR W
M3 SC W
Mustang SC T
335 W
335 W
M5 W
135 L X2
335 W
Mustang Cobra SC L
C63 AMG W
Lambo L
R8 V10 W
C63 SC L
STi TC W

The 135 for the day went undefeated 7-0

Longboarder's supercharged M3 -- Won by 2 cars from 50mph and 1 from 40mph.
SRanch335 RB turbo 335 -- Won by 2 cars+, and almost got wiped out by a plane on the return road!
Another supercharged E92 M3 -- Won by 2 cars
Z06 Vette -- Won by 1-2 cars
Jon's 335 -- Won by several cars
Eric's C63 -- Won by several cars

Originally Posted by bear-avhistory

You think? Terry's N54 @ the airport run two weeks back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=qJ_sMbPFsxQ

Would the result be the same if the m3 got to drop an obese man in curb weight?