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E60 (2004 - 2010)
BMW 5-Series (E60 chassis) was first seen in the Unites States in the fall of 2003 with a 2004 Model Year designation. The E60 is now available as a 528i, 528xi, 535i, 535xi, 550i and a 535xi sports wagon! -- View the E60 Wiki

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Old 02-29-2012, 10:39 AM
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Good point on the foam "wells".. I assumed the rain water was filling the tire well and getting into the foam wells from below. If the spill was from something above, in the hatch, it could leak down to the electronics without filling the tire well. Wonder if wrapping the entire lower foam piece (electronics and all) in a water proof bag such as a LARGE trash bag? This would provide some protection from a spill from above. The water sheading off the bag would then trip the water sensor.

???????Thoughts?????

Do the electronics generate much heat and thus need air flow to keep them cool?
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Old 02-29-2012, 10:49 AM
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Forgive me for not reading all 10+ pages of this thread, but I thought I would share... my car was flooded as well but it wasnt by the sunroof drains. It was by the drains under the ebox in the front passenger side of the engine compartment. Under the micro cabin filter on the passenger side, there is a box that contains electronics modules and a fan. Under this is a drain hole that goes down through a tube and out just forward of your front passenger tire... when that drain clogs, the flapper at the end of the tube gets stuck and the water backs up into the ebox and eventually has nowhere to go but into the passenger footwell of the vehicle where all your major electronics modules and sensors are... Anyway, here is the link to my story... please clean ALL your drains!!!! Post #38 shows the drain that was my issue...

http://forums.5series.net/topic/1073...1#entry1277480
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Old 02-29-2012, 12:02 PM
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Thanks Jay.. I pulled the filter boxes off (drivers and pas side) and cleaned out the debris from under the filter and out of the side drain hole.
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Old 02-29-2012, 12:39 PM
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wow we need a checklist for all these crazy hidden hazards!!

BTW my Corvette has a drain for the a/c and 2 drains for the cowl area. These drains are called affectionally utters.
If they clog, the cowl floods and kills the windshield motor.
Once you know about it it is easy to reach around and squeeze it clean. I imagine the E60 might be able to be cleaned in similar fashion.....I will look.
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Old 02-29-2012, 02:33 PM
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Thanks Jay.. I pulled the filter boxes off (drivers and pas side) and cleaned out the debris from under the filter and out of the side drain hole.
Ok - hope you got under the ebox since thats where the hole is to the drain tube.

And I wish they were easy to access... to get to the drain tube you have to remove the front right wheel and then pop the plastic rivets holding the wheel well splash guard... you will need new plastic rivets or plugs to reattach the splash guard.
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Old 02-29-2012, 04:15 PM
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I just cleaned the drain entry (top of the hole) but as you stated it is VERY hard to get to it. It is fairly large about the size of a quarter and has a "flap" or something under the hole. I'll remove the wheeel well liner this weekend to see if I can find the drain hose.

I did pour water into the base area and it did drain. Not from a single spot but it did drip from a few spots under the car. You think they would extend the drain hose all the way to the underside.

Thanks

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Old 03-01-2012, 10:06 AM
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Add 1 2008 535xit to the list of clogged tubes causing electrical failure. Dealer says its not covered. Its a CPO with 47k, but still under the new car warranty. I sure dont want a hassle, but we will not be paying a dime for this crap.
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Old 03-02-2012, 07:01 AM
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Studawg, sorry to read about the water damage. I hope you get the dealer to help some on this or maybe BMWUSA? We all know they are aware of the poor design.

Best of luck
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Old 06-13-2012, 05:39 PM
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A friend has a 530xi wagon. Apparently his sunroof drains got clogged and flooded his electronic compartment, causing a malfunction. Has anybody else experienced this? I have done a search and come up empty.

Thanks!
I am just reporting the same problem in my 2010 535xi Sport Wagon. My electronics nodded out over two day period with intermittent winshield wiper opeation at the will of the computer in 95 degree sunny weather. The battery died a day later with the winshield wipers unstoppable. The diagnosis by the dealer was 3 fried partially corroded control boards covered by water in the control board well below the spare tire well. Seems as though it might be design flaw as there are no cracks in the well.Oh by the by my extened warranty does not cover the problem becasue of water? I have escalated the problem to BMW Corpoarte.
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Old 06-13-2012, 06:53 PM
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Roof Drains

Actually I had a huge problem with a "clogged roof drain". Water filled up the spare tire well drowning all of the electronic modules. BMW claimed it was water damage and they were not responsible. I claimed it was a design flaw and refused to back down. BMW corporate offices offered to cover 20% of my over $3500 estimate. They told me there was nothing more they could do. Again, I refused to back down and eventually the sales manager who was on vacation came back and was quickly able to get BMW to cover it all but my $50 deductible. It literally took weeks of hounding them and the threat of going to the Feds and court but they finally did the right thing. When he showed me where the drains were, I was stunned. They were not much bigger than a pin hole and there was no way I would ever know they were there or needed to be cleaned. What a poor design when the default course for the water is to fill up the electronic well. Keep at it.

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Old 06-13-2012, 07:00 PM
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Actually I had a huge problem with a "clogged roof drain". Water filled up the spare tire well drowning all of the electronic modules. BMW claimed it was water damage and they were not responsible. I claimed it was a design flaw and refused to back down. BMW corporate offices offered to cover 20% of my over $3500 estimate. They told me there was nothing more they could do. Again, I refused to back down and eventually the sales manager who was on vacation came back and was quickly able to get BMW to cover it all but my $50 deductible. It literally took weeks of hounding them and the threat of going to the Feds and court but they finally did the right thing. When he showed me where the drains were, I was stunned. They were not much bigger than a pin hole and there was no way I would ever know they were there or needed to be cleaned. What a poor design when the default course for the water is to fill up the electronic well. Keep at it.
Any way you can show where the drains into the spare wheel well are? By photos, or diagrams or maybe just a write-up with some sort of description identifying the location(s) and apperarance? I think many people would appreciatate it ... thanks!
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Old 06-13-2012, 07:27 PM
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The roof drains are in the track for the sunroof. They are tiny. Not sure how the water gets into the spare tire well but it does. My dealer said he had seen this before and that BMW did cover it for other folks. Sorry but that's the best I can do.
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Old 06-13-2012, 07:39 PM
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Thanks for the info ... I'll check it out.
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Old 06-14-2012, 07:43 PM
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Best diagram I've found so far is the first image at
http://tis.spaghetticoder.org/s/view.pl?1/09/24/67
showing a top-down view of a see-thru wagon body. Items marked (2) are the four drain hoses, one per corner. The drain hoses (at least the back ones) are pretty large - you could fit a pencil in them, eraser-end first.

E60 version is here -
http://tis.spaghetticoder.org/s/view.pl?1/07/55/92 and the four hoses are marked as item (4).

In my wagon, the rear of the passenger-side drain tray was obstructed by felt insulation, so water dripped onto the top side of the headliner (what you see inside the car) then ran down to the plastic window trim which emptied over the battery, and drained into the battery compartment. If it kept filling, it would eventually spill over to the spare tire area and drown the electronics hiding under the tire.

I was able to poke the felt back out of the trough with a long stick, and no more water problems. There's a mini-waterfall all around the window when I go through a touchless carwash, but the water all falls into the troughs, to the hoses, and drains out of the car.
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Old 06-17-2012, 04:38 AM
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There's a mini-waterfall all around the window when I go through a touchless carwash, but the water all falls into the troughs, to the hoses, and drains out of the car.
I see the same thing, it is interesting to watch it drip drip into the channels
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Old 08-06-2012, 07:00 PM
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2007 E91 sunroof leak

Sorry to beat a dead horse here, but has anyone had luck with getting the panoramic seal replaced under CPO or directly through BMW corporate on an E91? I have a 2007 CPO and just got hosed at the dealer - $400 to install the $40 seal and it took them three tries!!! How they can say this is not covered under warranty when it is a known issue and there is a service bulletin covering the item under the new car warranty has me questioning the logic. Seems this seal should have been upgraded to pass CPO. As usual though, they fix nothing under warranty unless it is brought to their attention.
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Old 08-06-2012, 08:41 PM
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As usual though, they fix nothing under warranty unless it is brought to their attention.
This is a good tip for everyone. Be informed about what is getting fixed as a warranty item. Many docs for BMW techs from BMW start off by saying something like "on customer complaint... bla bla bla"
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Old 08-08-2012, 07:59 AM
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you should worry about condensation building in the bag. I would say, try to move the electronics.
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Old 08-09-2012, 05:53 AM
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Sorry to beat a dead horse here, but has anyone had luck with getting the panoramic seal replaced under CPO or directly through BMW corporate on an E91? I have a 2007 CPO and just got hosed at the dealer - $400 to install the $40 seal and it took them three tries!!! How they can say this is not covered under warranty when it is a known issue and there is a service bulletin covering the item under the new car warranty has me questioning the logic. Seems this seal should have been upgraded to pass CPO. As usual though, they fix nothing under warranty unless it is brought to their attention.
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What dealer? I got mine replaced under my new car warranty at Bridgewater BMW - simply complained of wind noise and they immediately replaced it under SIB 540409. Dave is the service manager. Oh - they also do oil changes for $79...
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Old 08-09-2012, 09:01 AM
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The service dept. Uses the computer that tells them if it is covered under CPO or not.

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Old 09-11-2012, 10:44 PM
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I was looking at a 2008 535xi wagon online today and found this thread. Pretty scary stuff on here, and I am wondering, should I just completely avoid this wagon? It looks like a great vehicle other than the potential for expensive damage due to the leaks, which is pretty disappointing considering the other excellent features the vehicle has to offer. Here are my questions:

1) Does anyone have an estimate on what percentage of 2008 wagons this happens to? Does it end up happening to nearly every vehicle?
2) If I inspect the vehicle's spare wheel well and service records and find no evidence of this problem in the past, is it likely to occur in the future?
3) For those who have the drains cleaned on a regular basis, has this flooding problem ever happened to you after you began a regular cleaning schedule?
4) How much does it cost to have the drains cleaned by the dealership (wagon)?
5) If the vehicle is out of warranty and I opt to have drains replaced with larger, stiffer tubing as some have suggested, any estimates on this cost?
6) Pretty much unrelated to this thread, but I've heard some people have had trouble with turbos on the newer 5 series models, any problems here?

Thanks in advance!
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Old 09-26-2012, 12:10 AM
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Drill a hole in the boot

I too was frustrated as the boot got flooded in my 545i Touring (E61). It is the left back tube that comes of at the top. Twice it has been refitted. Now I have drilled a hole in the boot at the lowest point, so water can drain out. Not very pretty or advanced but cheaper than paying for fried electronics. I now have to avoid driving in ponds - I will have to live with that. Any other risk ?
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Old 12-10-2012, 10:44 PM
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sunroof leaks - flooded

Finally happened to my '06 530xi wagon...flooded tire well and fried the electronic compartment after I parked on my driveway during a recent rain storm. In short, BMW manufacturer, public relations (resolution unit) and the SF BMW dealership - all rejected my claim and denied any liability on leak damages due to "external factors". I'm stuck now since I don't have auto comprehensive insurance coverage. Much needed help and advice from anyone, please??? My car is still with the dealership and they said the repair estimate would cost around outrageously $15K. Thanks, Wallace from SF/Ca
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Old 12-10-2012, 10:54 PM
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Dan, hope your wagon is doing well now. However, mine (same type of wagon) isn't. Please see my new tread posted today (12/10/12). Any suggestion and/or your professional advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks, Wallace
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Old 12-11-2012, 08:02 AM
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$15K? That's almost what the car is worth. I feel your pain...

May be you can source the parts yourself, replace them, and have BMW reprogram everything. That's the only option I can see...
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