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Old 12-16-2012, 07:02 PM
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I don't believe any of this.

If someone can produce a document that clearly states the software update addresses a tip in issue, I will change my mind.

Until then there is no evidence that BMW has acknowledged an issue. For the last 10 years folks have complained about drive by wire claiming undesirable drive response at times. Nothing has changed with any of the models that I am aware of .
You can believe what you want but I saw with my owns eyes two documents that my son-in-law downloaded from BMW on his work computer Friday morning that were software updates to fix the hesitation issues in the F10 series, and it had the word "Hesitation" in black and white. I WILL get a copy and post it here!!!
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Old 12-16-2012, 07:11 PM
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Yours too...something is fishy...
Confirming my assertion, I just exported mine, and I too show F001-12-07-520:

?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?
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signedContent
header
date>2012-12-16T20:44:27
version>1
username>SHAWN
vin>CXXXXXX
i-step>F001-12-07-520

So, all 3 of us have the exact same I-Level...except my car was programmed on 10/8 with ISTA/P 2.47.7, I-Level F010-12-07-533, as shown on the ISTA/P Final Report:

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And when I read my actual VCM in E-Sys, it also shows I-Level F010-12-07-533:

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Name:	ISTA-P 2.47.7.000  - I-Step F010-12-07-533.png
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ID:	353490

As I said, the Profile Export is not accurate.
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Old 12-16-2012, 07:16 PM
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Still won't let me cut and past right.
If you are referring to your profile, that is because it is in .xml, which has HTML tags in it that the forum thinks is BB Code. Remove all the tags (e.g. "header" "/header" etc.).
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Old 12-16-2012, 07:38 PM
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Really hope it improves this time and won't fall back to lag mode in a few weeks!
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Old 12-16-2012, 07:46 PM
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Confirming my assertion, I just exported mine, and I too show F001-12-07-520:

?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?
bmwExportData
signedContent
header
date>2012-12-16T20:44:27
version>1
username>SHAWN
vin>CXXXXXX
i-step>F001-12-07-520

So, all 3 of us have the exact same I-Level...except my car was programmed on 10/8 with ISTA/P 2.47.7, I-Level F010-12-07-533, as shown on the ISTA/P Final Report:

Attachment 353488

And when I read my actual VCM in E-Sys, it also shows I-Level F010-12-07-533:

Attachment 353490

As I said, the Profile Export is not accurate.
I sent an email to my son-in-law and asked him to see if he could get the info you were wanting. I know he kept referring to it as an DME update. He told me what DME stood for but I forgot.

As I said before the car is performing great now. No hesitation at all. I did have a problem where it would start off in second gear and then with no extra pressure on the gas pedal, it would all of a sudden down shift to first gear like it couldn't figure what gear it should be in. That is totally gone now. I hope this a permanent fix now and the adaptive controls don't screw it up again.
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Old 12-16-2012, 08:01 PM
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Hesitation software update

Gents- So I too have had an update done to attempt to correct this issue. The dealer did the update and it was documented as "bulletin 12 09 11"

I do notice a big difference, but has there been another update in addition to this one, and since I think it's fixed, I am wondering if there is another that improves the fix even more.
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Old 12-16-2012, 08:08 PM
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I sent an email to my son-in-law and asked him to see if he could get the info you were wanting. I know he kept referring to it as an DME update. He told me what DME stood for but I forgot.

As I said before the car is performing great now. No hesitation at all. I did have a problem where it would start off in second gear and then with no extra pressure on the gas pedal, it would all of a sudden down shift to first gear like it couldn't figure what gear it should be in. That is totally gone now. I hope this a permanent fix now and the adaptive controls don't screw it up again.
Just heard back from my son-in-law and SIB is 12-17-12
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I don't believe any of this.

If someone can produce a document that clearly states the software update addresses a tip in issue, I will change my mind.

Until then there is no evidence that BMW has acknowledged an issue. For the last 10 years folks have complained about drive by wire claiming undesirable drive response at times. Nothing has changed with any of the models that I am aware of .
How do you define the "tip in issue",

Is it not a "delay in engine response", aka "hesitation", aka "tip in"?

If so, then SI B24 02 12 dating back to March of this year is that document:

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The issue then was EGS (transmission) and DME (motor) software calibration was "unfavorable".

Now it seems there may be another new SIB addressing it again.
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Old 12-16-2012, 09:57 PM
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I hope this a permanent fix now and the adaptive controls don't screw it up again.
Yes, please do keep us updated after a few weeks. I'd like to try it out myself, but it's like pulling teeth when asking BMW to update the software, with tonnes of excuses and "it's normal"s to avoid doing the job.
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:33 AM
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Just heard back from my son-in-law and SIB is 12-17-12
Awesome!!!! Thanks so much!

If there is a way you can get a physical copy from your S-I-L, I would be most grateful. If you don't want to share it here, just PM me for my email, if you can get that lucky.

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Old 12-17-2012, 07:37 AM
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Is there any way to determine what versions our cars have and what versions are available? Thanks!
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Old 12-17-2012, 07:51 AM
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Is there any way to determine what versions our cars have and what versions are available? Thanks!
What do you mean by what versions are available?
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Old 12-17-2012, 11:55 AM
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Just got the latest software update yesterday for the hesitation issues. It was just released earlier this month. So far, big improvement. Acts like a normal car now. Just hope the adaptive BS doesn't mess it up. Time will till. I will post the update number when I get my paperwork from the dealer. There were two updates issued. Same software update for both, but issued for different build dates.
I have a July 2010 build 528i and am also experiencing the hesitation issue. I had the vehicle in two weeks ago to get the tires rotated and when I asked them about the numerous F10 hesitation threads the rep said to me "What hesitation issue" then said that was the official BMW response. He was aware of the problem but could do nothing. What do I tell them to get a software update if one is now available?
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Old 12-17-2012, 11:57 AM
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I have a July 2010 build 528i and am also experiencing the hesitation issue. I had the vehicle in two weeks ago to get the tires rotated and when I asked them about the numerous F10 hesitation threads the rep said to me "What hesitation issue" then said that was the official BMW response. He was aware of the problem but could do nothing. What do I tell them to get a software update if one is now available?
You show him SIB is 12-17-12 (when we have it and assuming your car is affected) and tell him you have the problem, and expect the SIB solution applied.
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You show him SIB is 12-17-12 (when we have it and assuming your car is affected) and tell him you have the problem, and expect the SIB solution applied.
Will do. Thanks.
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:40 PM
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How do you define the "tip in issue",

Is it not a "delay in engine response", aka "hesitation", aka "tip in"?

If so, then SI B24 02 12 dating back to March of this year is that document:

Attachment 353493

The issue then was EGS (transmission) and DME (motor) software calibration was "unfavorable".

Now it seems there may be another new SIB addressing it again.
So, what ThreeI wrote is absolutely correct.

The new SI B12 17 12 is again for "delay in engine response" with N52T / N55 Engine and 8HP45 Transmission to 03/31/12, and is a follow up to and replacement for the above SI B24 02 12, and the problem remains unfavorable EGS and DME software.

The fix then was ISTA/P 2.46.0 (or higher). Now it is ISTA/P 2.48.1 (or higher).

So, the "tip in" problem has now been documented, not once, but twice.
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Anyone know if the fix addresses "take-off" hesitation or only while decelerating?

From reading the SIB, the update only addresses a certain use-case which may not be the main complaint on this forum.

It was my understanding that the main complaint was hesitation in general.
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Anyone know if the fix addresses "take-off" hesitation or only while decelerating?

From reading the SIB, the update only addresses a certain use-case which may not be the main complaint on this forum.

It was my understanding that the main complaint was hesitation in general.
No, the main complaint is starting off from a stop. The hesitation under way is less prevalent.
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No, the main complaint is starting off from a stop. The hesitation under way is less prevalent.
Thanks for the info. So it is safe to assume the update what help me much.
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Old 12-17-2012, 06:34 PM
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Thanks for the info. So it is safe to assume the update what help me much.
Still too early to tell because the car might seem ok and wonderful for the first week after the update, then deteriorates and returns to square one. Happened in the previous "global update", and I'm not holding my breath on this one.
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Still too early to tell because the car might seem ok and wonderful for the first week after the update, then deteriorates and returns to square one. Happened in the previous "global update", and I'm not holding my breath on this one.
Yeah, me too.
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Still too early to tell because the car might seem ok and wonderful for the first week after the update, then deteriorates and returns to square one. Happened in the previous "global update", and I'm not holding my breath on this one.
My tip-in and idle surge problem was resolved after the last update (and from wiping out the previous learned data). They also re-programmed the steering module on that visit and fixed the mild pulling issue of the MY2011s.
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On a related note - especially since Shawn is following this thread. Can the car be coded to start in first gear even when not in sport mode? I assume all 5's start in second when not in sport mode, but my 550 does for sure. I'd love to change that.
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On a related note - especially since Shawn is following this thread. Can the car be coded to start in first gear even when not in sport mode? I assume all 5's start in second when not in sport mode, but my 550 does for sure. I'd love to change that.
Not that I have seen, but I have not spent a whole lot of time in the EGS or DME Modules either.
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Not that I have seen, but I have not spent a whole lot of time in the EGS or DME Modules either.
....a whole lot of time YET.....

Sounds like a great New Years Resolution Shawn . Keep paving that coding path brutha!
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