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Old 12-23-2012, 06:31 PM
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I know. I've already installed a sprint booster and it's already much better. But it's the thought of getting a sub-par (brand new) car with un-refined software that is disturbing. It's extra insulting when it's a BMW that is claims to be the "Ultimate Driving Machine".

If the car drives like a real "Ultimate Driving Machine" and the sound system sucks, has no GPS Nav or Idrive, I think I'd still be ok. Still unhappy, but not pissed.

I'll try to argue with them again to get my car updated to the 2.48.2.
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The hardware is fine. It's just the software that's causing the lags and hesitation. If the hardware is the problem, things will still be bad in DS, sport, sport+, sport++++++++ modes.

All I want is a "daily driving" mode that has the throttle responsiveness of the DS mode, but without the gear holding at high rpms. Don't tell me that I have to toggle back and forth just to overtake. I'd buy a manual transmission if I want to mess with the shifter.

If they made the car laggy just because of fuel consumption, they're targeting the wrong audience. I'd buy a prius if I wanted good gas mileage.
Having the same issues in my X1 with the N20 engine. I'm fed up. The car is too new to wait for: 1) any acknowledgement from BMW, followed by 2) any attempted fix. We get honked at in intersections because the engine won't budge for a full second after depressing the accelerator. It's dangerous too. So after some discussion on the X1 forum I decided to order the BMS tune - really, really hoping it addresses the problem.
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Old 01-01-2013, 03:34 PM
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I had my car updated to 2.48.2 last week and so far, the delay is gone.
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Old 01-01-2013, 07:21 PM
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Having the same issues in my X1 with the N20 engine. I'm fed up. The car is too new to wait for: 1) any acknowledgement from BMW, followed by 2) any attempted fix. We get honked at in intersections because the engine won't budge for a full second after depressing the accelerator. It's dangerous too. So after some discussion on the X1 forum I decided to order the BMS tune - really, really hoping it addresses the problem.
Sorry to hear that you have the same problem, but I'm not surprised that the same issue crosses multiple models (the new x3 has this problem as well) because it uses the same platform (with the 8spd transmission).

Yes, the hesitation can be a hazard when it comes at the wrong time.

The BMS tune will help for sure, but it's stupid that we have to fork out money to fix their problem.
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Old 01-02-2013, 05:51 AM
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Having the same issues in my X1 with the N20 engine. I'm fed up. The car is too new to wait for: 1) any acknowledgement from BMW, followed by 2) any attempted fix. We get honked at in intersections because the engine won't budge for a full second after depressing the accelerator. It's dangerous too. So after some discussion on the X1 forum I decided to order the BMS tune - really, really hoping it addresses the problem.
To me, this just confirms further that it is transmission programming, not engine related.
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Old 01-02-2013, 06:27 PM
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To me, this just confirms further that it is transmission programming, not engine related.
Doesn't seem to be the transmission programming because even the manual has the same problem in the F30 328i.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...328i_update_3/

But yes, it's not the same engine, so it's not engine related either. Seems to be more related to the electronic throttle programming?
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Old 01-03-2013, 10:41 PM
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I had my car updated to 2.48.2 last week and so far, the delay is gone.
By the way, is it done under the SIB 12-17-12? But I think that only updates to 2.48.1? Or it depends what version the local BMW shop has? I want to make sure I get the latest. Thanks. I'm running out of fuse for this car.

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Old 01-04-2013, 06:07 AM
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By the way, is it done under the SIB 12-17-12? But I think that only updates to 2.48.1? Or it depends what version the local BMW shop has? I want to make sure I get the latest. Thanks. I'm running out of fuse for this car.
The SIB sates it was corrected in 2.48.1 release, so the dealer applying the SIB has to use a minimum of 2.48.1.

If you go to your dealer, they will only have the latest, and since 48.2 was released in November, no dealer in January will still be running 2.48.1, so you will get 2.48.2 if the SIB is applied today.
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Old 01-04-2013, 08:06 AM
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The SIB sates it was corrected in 2.48.1 release, so the dealer applying the SIB has to use a minimum of 2.48.1.

If you go to your dealer, they will only have the latest, and since 48.2 was released in November, no dealer in January will still be running 2.48.1, so you will get 2.48.2 if the SIB is applied today.
I had the update yesterday and they applied 2.48.1
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Old 01-04-2013, 08:12 AM
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The SIB sates it was corrected in 2.48.1 release, so the dealer applying the SIB has to use a minimum of 2.48.1.

If you go to your dealer, they will only have the latest, and since 48.2 was released in November, n o dealer in January will still be running 2.48.1, so you will get 2.48.2 if the SIB is applied today.
Thanks. So does it make any difference whether the same SIB is applied on 2.48.1 vs 2.48.2? Not too familiar with bmw software, but I assume with a later version, other stuff besides the engine response is patched?
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Old 01-04-2013, 08:36 AM
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I just had my car reprogrammed with version 2.48.3 a few days ago, and if the Dinan flash works today I will be getting the car back today.

I suspect this version is wildly available...
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Old 01-04-2013, 09:03 AM
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I had the update yesterday and they applied 2.48.1
And how do you know with certainty that it was 48.1?
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Old 01-04-2013, 09:04 AM
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I just had my car reprogrammed with version 2.48.3 a few days ago, and if the Dinan flash works today I will be getting the car back today.

I suspect this version is wildly available...
48.3. Really? Same question...how do you know with certainty you got 48.3?
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And how do you know with certainty that it was 48.1?
According to the workorder printout
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Old 01-04-2013, 09:25 AM
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According to the workorder printout
That could be a typo, or it was put like that by the technician just because that is what the SIB called for.

The only way to know with certainty is to look at the ISTA/P Measures Plan (Final Report) or connect to the car with E-Sys, and read I-Step Current from the CAS Module.

There is simply no way a Dealer is using 2.48.1 today when BMW Munich pushed out 2.48.2 to all the Dealers ISSS servers two months ago.
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That could be a typo, or it was put like that by the technician just because that is what the SIB called for.

The only way to know with certainty is to look at the ISTA/P Measures Plan (Final Report) or connect to the car with E-Sys, and read I-Step Current from the CAS Module.

There is simply no way a Dealer is using 2.48.1 today when BMW Munich pushed out 2.48.2 to all the Dealers ISSS servers two months ago.
Are these SIB updates specific to the F10 ECU or to the F30 as well? my apologies if this is an ignorant question...
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Old 01-04-2013, 11:17 AM
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Are these SIB updates specific to the F10 ECU or to the F30 as well? my apologies if this is an ignorant question...
I posted the actual SIB in Post #41:

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...7&postcount=41

If you read it, you will see that it is specific to N52T / N55 engine with 8HP45 Transmission and that it effects F10, F25, E70, E71, and F07 up to a certain production date (2/29/12 or 3/31/12).
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That could be a typo, or it was put like that by the technician just because that is what the SIB called for.

The only way to know with certainty is to look at the ISTA/P Measures Plan (Final Report) or connect to the car with E-Sys, and read I-Step Current from the CAS Module.

There is simply no way a Dealer is using 2.48.1 today when BMW Munich pushed out 2.48.2 to all the Dealers ISSS servers two months ago.
So I assume I could ask for a copy of the ISTA/P Measures Plan from the dealer?
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Just got the update today, and car does feel better, but fingers crossed. My i-step number is:

F001-12-07-520

I wonder if this is 2.48.1 or 2.48.2

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Old 01-04-2013, 11:29 AM
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So I assume I could ask for a copy of the ISTA/P Measures Plan from the dealer?
I demand it whenever my car is programmed. If you have already picked the car up, I doubt the technician saved it.
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Just got the update today, and car does feel better, but fingers crossed. My i-step number is:

F001-12-07-520

I wonder if this is 2.48.1 or 2.48.2

Thanks.
Let assume for a minute that F001-12-07-520 was accurate, it would be from July 2012, which would make it between ISTA/P 2.47.0 and ISTA/P 2.47.7.

But, this is unbelievable. I assume you got F001-12-07-520 from reading the Profile Export .xml file, and this is not accurate and can not be used.

As I wrote, the only way is to read the ISTA/P Measure Plan (Final Report), or connect with E-Sys and Read I-Step Current from CAS Module.
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Let assume for a minute that F001-12-07-520 was accurate, it would be from July 2012, which would make it between ISTA/P 2.47.0 and ISTA/P 2.47.7.

But, this is unbelievable. I assume you got F001-12-07-520 from reading the Profile Export .xml file, and this is not accurate and can not be used.

As I wrote, the only way is to read the ISTA/P Measure Plan (Final Report), or connect with E-Sys and Read I-Step Current from CAS Module.
Thanks Shawn, yes I got it from exporting the profile, which I guess is not correct.
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Well they got to flash the dinah back on my car, and the car is in SOS state or I would have been able to get the confirmation on the software version for you guys... if they car keep the SOS code cleared it will be at least monday before I see it back now;
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Well they got to flash the dinah back on my car, and the car is in SOS state or I would have been able to get the confirmation on the software version for you guys... if they car keep the SOS code cleared it will be at least monday before I see it back now;
It happened to me too yesterday, so they had to keep the car overnight to reboot their systems, get the SOS fixed and reprogram my car. Everything seems fine today though.. hopefully yours will be too.
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Old 01-04-2013, 02:59 PM
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Just got the email saying they are now keeping it until monday to fix that SOS state... I'm sure its an easy solution, but sure seems like this car finds every error and likes to show off by displaying them for the tech working on the car!

I confirmed they printed off the ISTA/P report for me, I'll get it when I pickup the car... The tech confirmed the version 2.48.3 by email - I had asked if he installed 2.48.2 as I thought that was the latest version based on what I read here and he responded back to say "so no, and he installed a newer version of 2.48.3" - only way to be sure I guess is to check when the car is in my hands.

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