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Old 01-07-2013, 04:21 PM
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I also talked to these peeps today:
http://www.turnermotorsport.com/c-15...-software.aspx

According to customer service (which seems extremly knowledgeable) There isnt and never will be a chip to bypass the EWSII for the 318 M42 motor. They will not spend the resources to develop such a chip.



I'm still liking the emulator idea as a last resort

How about switching the chip from the red label and putting it in the silver ... Try at your own risk though

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Old 01-07-2013, 07:55 PM
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and the point of that would be?

And I'm only going to jack around with my silver DME, keep im mind my car runs now lol
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Old 01-07-2013, 08:32 PM
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and the point of that would be?

And I'm only going to jack around with my silver DME, keep im mind my car runs now lol
To bad they don't have a ews2 delete for the 318 , I didn't want to go with a step down dme for my car so I got the stage 1 Jim conforti chip ( clone ) with the ews2 delete but that's on a 1995 525i . , I was afraid that if I stepped down the whole dme it would change the characteristics of the way my car performed . And luckily my dme was good but unfortunately the ews2 detected a theft and by the way it was self inflicted .

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Old 01-07-2013, 08:36 PM
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Are you sayin if the car "percieves" a theft it doesnt ever recover from such an event? I assume unhooking the battery nothing can "reset it" thats insane.

What could cause the car to percieve that its beein stolen? I proabably caused this mess too!!
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Old 01-07-2013, 08:44 PM
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Yes that's the unfortunate part , ews2 was required by the European insurance commission . And unfortunately sometimes it just happens as these cars get older the ews2 gets a glitch / malfunction and only 2 places could re sync the system for you and one of them is The dealer

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Old 04-19-2013, 06:49 AM
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I have a 318 ti, had a Ignition lock failure, replaced it.
Now it seems I have to turn key quickly and sometimes a couple of times to get starter to kick.
Maybe EWS relay for starter?
Maybe warn switch?
When lock broke I took out cylinder, ran car without and started by turning switch while detached.
I had to have EWS coil next to key but it next did not crank.
It seems now the cylinder barely turns enough to engage switch.
After it first did this I took switch back out, and turned manually again.
Any ideas?

I think I really want to delete entire EWS system before it leaves me somewhere far from home
I know about the ews starter jump wire.
Would a red DME allow full deletion of my EWS2 system?
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Old 04-19-2013, 06:51 AM
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EWS system explained

Found attached document, really has good info

Hope it helps
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Old 04-19-2013, 07:19 AM
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Found attached document, really has good info

Hope it helps
Hey Jenkinskg. That will help you some, but it will not give you the info you need. Ttaylo36 had the same problem with his 318. He was the first one (that I know of) that was able to delete his EWS on a 318.

You need a red label DME with the last three numbers being 282. You can refer to post #274 of this thread that shows a picture with the full number. This is the red label DME you will need for the 318. You will need to do the wiring modification as I wrote up earlier in the thread.

Please post back to let us know when you get the EWS bypassed
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Old 04-19-2013, 12:21 PM
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I have a 318 ti, had a Ignition lock failure, replaced it.
Now it seems I have to turn key quickly and sometimes a couple of times to get starter to kick.
Maybe EWS relay for starter?
Maybe warn switch?
When lock broke I took out cylinder, ran car without and started by turning switch while detached.
I had to have EWS coil next to key but it next did not crank.
It seems now the cylinder barely turns enough to engage switch.
After it first did this I took switch back out, and turned manually again.
Any ideas?

I think I really want to delete entire EWS system before it leaves me somewhere far from home
I know about the ews starter jump wire.
Would a red DME allow full deletion of my EWS2 system?


Unless you now have an ews problem, there's no need to delete the ews even in advance. It is not that common compared to other no start issues especially on the e34. And by deleting it you are chucking out a perfectly good dme right now. And it is nice to have theft protection that still rocks.

What you should do is to buy a used non ews dme for your engine and break off pin #66 on the dme. Then familiarise yourself with the location of the immobilized unit and the wiring mods needed. Open up and look at it on your car when you free. Then keep a screwdriver and the dme in your car at all times, plus a printout on the procedure. If you ever run into problems with your ews unit or your dme, anywhere, you'll need at most 30 minutes to get up and running. Sell off the spare dme for the same price if you ever let go off your car.

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Old 06-10-2013, 09:34 AM
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Well,

I ended up buying this car. It was so clean and with less than 100,000 miles on it, I figure it was $800.00 well spent....

Now to replace the GM and see if the windows and door locks come back on line...
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Old 07-31-2013, 05:23 AM
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Unhappy same type of issues

where do #4,#1,#3 come from?go to?is the ews module the same as cruise? cus im a little lost.
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Old 07-31-2013, 06:14 AM
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where do #4,#1,#3 come from?go to?is the ews module the same as cruise? cus im a little lost.
I'm headed out the door to go to work, but I will try to get back up with you later today / this evening to see if I can help you.
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Old 07-31-2013, 06:29 PM
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where do #4,#1,#3 come from?go to?is the ews module the same as cruise? cus im a little lost.
You have to remove the kick panel below the driver's dash. Look way up on the corner close to the side of the car. You will see a module with a yellow connector. That is the EWS module. The wires in question are there.

I would be interested to know exactly what your symptoms are. I assume that you have a no-start situation and have ruled out all other possibilities. If not, you can certainly proceed with the EWS delete, but that may not solve your problem.

I hope this little bit of information helped out. Let me know if there is anything further I can do to assist.
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Old 08-01-2013, 03:33 AM
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yes im bretty sure. right now what i have as far as symtoms is im not getting any fuel going to the rail,the starter clicks but will not apply or crank.
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Old 08-01-2013, 07:45 AM
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yes im bretty sure. right now what i have as far as symtoms is im not getting any fuel going to the rail,the starter clicks but will not apply or crank.
Typically with a failed EWS module, you don't even get a click at the starter; you turn the key to position 3 and everything lights up as it should, but nothing from the starter .... not even a click.

The bypass is easy enough to do if you have the red label DME and, if you do it, and it doesn't fix your problem, you have at least fixed a possible future problem.

Clicking at the starter usually means either there is not sufficient voltage to make it engage or the starter itself may have failed (particularly the bendix if memory serves - not 100% sure on that though).

I would suggest making sure you have at least 12.6v at the battery (and make sure that the battery is good because they can have 12.6v statically, but as soon as you try to start the car, the voltage can drop to 3 or 4 if the battery is shot) and if you do indeed have a good battery, I would suggest investigating the starter further.

Also, you generally only get about 1, maybe 2 seconds of fuel pump operation upon turning the key to position 2. This just primes the system to make sure you have sufficient pressure. Once that pressure builds up, the pump will not prime again, so that could possibly explain lack of fuel at the rail.

Anyway, you definitely need to get the engine to crank over to further diagnose the problem.

Good luck and hope this helped some.
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Old 08-01-2013, 09:31 PM
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it clicks at a relay some where.. the batt and starter are both brand new, i have a 413 red label vanos dme on the way and just wana make sure i have the bypass right befor i cut any wires i dont have too. i have seen the module under the kick panel and was not sure if it should be behind the glovebox. but u said mine is in the kick so i should bypass at the yellow harness there.
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Old 08-02-2013, 08:01 AM
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it clicks at a relay some where.. the batt and starter are both brand new, i have a 413 red label vanos dme on the way and just wana make sure i have the bypass right befor i cut any wires i dont have too. i have seen the module under the kick panel and was not sure if it should be behind the glovebox. but u said mine is in the kick so i should bypass at the yellow harness there.
Ok. I just noticed that your car is listed as an E36. I thought you had an E34 because you responded to my posting on the E34 forum.

Just to be clear, the EWS module is located under the kick panel on the E34. It is behind the glove box on the E36. My bad. Sorry.

I posted this thread first on the E36 forum because that's the vehicle I had the problem with. I then posted on the E34 forum since it is the same process, but just a different location for the EWS module.

The fact that you are hearing a relay click makes me wonder if the problem is EWS related. If you have an automatic, there is a starter relay that may be bad. Have you tried to track down which relay is clicking by having someone try to start the car and you listening? Also, will the starter turn if voltage is applied directly to the terminals?

I did a quick search in the E36 Bentley manual. It indicates that the starter relay is behind the left footwell speaker grill on 1994-1998 models.

You should also consider that the neutral safety switch may be faulty (again, if you have an automatic).

Forgive me, but I also just realized that you have the 94 model which means that you have EWS I, not EWS II. I am not as familiar with the EWS I, but I think it is easier to bypass. Here is a good link that will give you a lot of information about the EWS system:

http://www.unofficialbmw.com/images/BMW_EWS.pdf

I hope I have helped some. Sorry I didnít catch that your car is an E36 and a 94 model.
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Old 08-06-2013, 06:24 PM
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Ok so has anyone effectively done this on a 318? Mine is a 95 and I'm reading so much stuff it's all starting to blur.
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Old 08-06-2013, 06:32 PM
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Ok so has anyone effectively done this on a 318? Mine is a 95 and I'm reading so much stuff it's all starting to blur.
Fortunately for you, yes. Ttaylo36 did it on his. He was the first that I had ever heard of doing it successfully. It is in this thread somewhere. BTW, as I'm sure you've found out by now, there is no EWS delete chip for the 318. Here is a quote from post #283 of this thread that explains what you need:

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Hey Jenkinskg. That will help you some, but it will not give you the info you need. Ttaylo36 had the same problem with his 318. He was the first one (that I know of) that was able to delete his EWS on a 318.

You need a red label DME with the last three numbers being 282. You can refer to post #274 of this thread that shows a picture with the full number. This is the red label DME you will need for the 318. You will need to do the wiring modification as I wrote up earlier in the thread.

Please post back to let us know when you get the EWS bypassed
This should help you.
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Old 08-06-2013, 06:56 PM
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Old 08-06-2013, 07:50 PM
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EWS Delete / Bypass and no-start problem finally solved - VERY LONG read

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I've got a red label on its way.
With last 3 numbers being 282 correct?


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Ok so has anyone effectively done this on a 318? Mine is a 95 and I'm reading so much stuff it's all starting to blur.
I did it on a 1995 M. Without changing dme. Check my YT video for details.

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.http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCexrBs08oa_-QEJZn3hYj4w

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Old 08-06-2013, 09:47 PM
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Hello all! Glad to be back...FYI I did all the test to bypass the EWS on my 318 and they all failed...My car is still running strong thanks to many men and one scholar
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Old 08-07-2013, 03:26 AM
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I did it on a 1995 M. Without changing dme. Check my YT video for details.

Click below

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