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The sixth generation 3 series, chassis code F30. 2013 model year 328i and 335i sedans now in production. Read the F30 frequently asked question thread for all your basic question and dive into all the details in the ultimate F30 information thread.

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Old 01-01-2013, 11:08 PM
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Exhaust note is a bit muted and intriguing. Starting off, you hear a bit of an electric whirr before the engine kicks in. At full throttle there's a throaty exhaust note, but the car is pretty quiet throughout the daily driving range. It seems like BMW tuned the exhaust to be quieter to make the hybrid transitions less notable.

Compared to the 335i, the AH3 definitely responds faster -- almost instantaneously in sport mode. The 335i I test drove suffered a bit of throttle lag, especially if the engine is at low speed when I suddenly floor it. For real world driving, this sharper response is much appreciated. I can't really comment on track or drag strip performance, nor have I seen any magazine put the regular 335i, sport AT 335i, and AH3 against each other.

If you're looking for performance and are already considering increasing the cost of your 335i with options, you won't be disappointed with the AH3.
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Old 01-02-2013, 09:08 AM
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I have to admit jdong, your enthusiasm is infectious and makes me think an AH3 (or the next gen) could be an option for my next car. I've already made the mindset switch which (and I risk being shunned by posting this) started with this post I made last Summer: http://gm-volt.com/forum/showthread....y-BMW-M5-Owner
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Old 01-02-2013, 11:32 AM
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The ActiveHybrids seem to be the most misunderstood BMWs. It seems like those who test drive one tend to come back with positive reactions, but most have already made some judgement about the car by looking at the MSRP or EPA sticker and won't give it another look.
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Old 01-02-2013, 11:42 AM
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The ActiveHybrids seem to be the most misunderstood BMWs. It seems like those who test drive one tend to come back with positive reactions, but most have already made some judgement about the car by looking at the MSRP or EPA sticker and won't give it another look.

Yep. I also think the benefits of the improved A.S.S. on the AH3 vs. the 328i/335i can't be recognized by people who have never driven one.

Once the $3500 Eco-credit goes away (probably today?) it will be a much tougher justification. I personally would never pay the normal $6.5K premium over a 335i, but after I drove it, anything <$2K premium over a 335i was a great deal in my mind.

I live in a heavily populated area, and often make short trips <2 miles. There is no walking infrastructure, and I sometimes take my kids. It is going to be great to take trips to the store, etc., and use zero or minimal gas.

One thing is for sure: BMW is heavily invested in hybrid/electric technology. You can tell that is where much of their R&D is going to, with the i3, i8 and such. As a result, I think we'll see continued advancements and improvements in these AH models as they roll out the "i" series over the next 2 years.

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Old 01-02-2013, 01:37 PM
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I'm guessing some form of the Eco Credit will get renewed.
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Old 01-02-2013, 06:56 PM
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I purely like it for the smooth Auto start stop system and I want instant throttle response from stand still. BMW seems to have forgotten how to do this on the F-chassis cars. Is the F30 AH quick to respond for stand still acceleration?
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Old 01-02-2013, 07:46 PM
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No complaints about standstill response. Whether you want to gently tip in, aggressively launch, or anything in between, the throttle behaves exactly like you intend. I've driven ZF 8HP cars (ahem A4/Q5) that have some form of throttle lag plus slamming into gear a second later. This car has none of that and I say that with adequate confidence at 1300 miles


If anything, the response from standstill is a work of art. You can hear the motor whir at first, and then while the car is moving at 5mph or so the engine smoothly blends in and takes over at around 2000RPM. No shudder or obvious transitions at all.
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Old 01-02-2013, 08:50 PM
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I purely like it for the smooth Auto start stop system and I want instant throttle response from stand still. BMW seems to have forgotten how to do this on the F-chassis cars. Is the F30 AH quick to respond for stand still acceleration?

But is it creamy?

There's little or no N54 throttle lag when the foot's positioned correctly. Problem: Somewhat unforgiving.
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Old 01-02-2013, 08:59 PM
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I'd say it is as creamy as my NA 5.7L Hemi in a 300C, which still is one of my favorite engines. The electric motor also helps relieve the engine during that dreaded idle->1500RPM region where turbo spool seems to make throttle response unpredictable.
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this is great to hear! Exactly why I want the AH. Also, can you take some photos of your NAV? It is supposed to be the new upgraded nav with faster processer and better graphics, right?
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AH3 definitely has the new Navigation.
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Old 01-03-2013, 09:54 AM
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this is great to hear! Exactly why I want the AH. Also, can you take some photos of your NAV? It is supposed to be the new upgraded nav with faster processer and better graphics, right?
Yep, it is the new nav. Photos really don't do much to describe it -- it's definitely "shinier" but the basic UI layout did not change. What I will say is that it's faster and that's the most eye-opening difference. Zooming the map redraws as quickly as Google Maps does on a desktop. The old nav took a second or two to re-render.
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I'd say it is as creamy as my NA 5.7L Hemi in a 300C, which still is one of my favorite engines. The electric motor also helps relieve the engine during that dreaded idle->1500RPM region where turbo spool seems to make throttle response unpredictable.

That's not a Yes! Cream content unknown as yet.

BTW, foot totally flat on the go stick yields zero turbo lag in my ride. Contemplating messin' 'round w/JB4 for that torque on demand feel.

Foot not flat causes apparent turbo lag, but is not.

Explosive fer sure but N54 is NOT creamy, to it's everlasting shame. Mighty fast tho.

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That's not a Yes! Cream content unknown as yet.

BTW, foot totally flat on the go stick yields zero turbo lag in my ride. Contemplating messin' 'round w/JB4 for that torque on demand feel.

Foot not flat causes apparent turbo lag, but is not.

Explosive fer sure but N54 is NOT creamy, to it's everlasting shame. Mighty fast tho.

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He's talking about the N55, different ball game.
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Old 01-03-2013, 02:12 PM
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Right, I was talking about the N55 as it is in the AH3. I've not had extensive experience with the N55 in the 335i apart from an 8 mile or so test drive, where once in a while I could sense a little bit of lag, mostly from flooring it at around 1000RPM coasting down. Usually the transmission is smart enough to not let the revs drop down there in situations when you'd like to floor it, but if it does, there is maybe a quarter second delay after the kickdown when you feel the acceleration build up as opposed to throwing your head back instantly. This effect is gone from the AH3.
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Old 01-07-2013, 08:46 PM
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BTW I just had my FEM reprogram done, and now feathering the brakes at low speed is liquid smooth!

Also, it seems like shifts in comfort mode are more laid back rather than snappy. Sport mode is still crisp. This is closer to how I like it actually. I wonder if that's just adaptation reset.
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Had an ah3 on order but jumped on the 535 December deal.
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