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Old 01-08-2013, 09:01 AM
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2012 F30 Bluetooth Question

Hi
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I have a UK 2012 F30, it has the standard Bluetooth, no business sat nav etc but the option to hook upto 3 or 4 bluetooth devices.
Got my iPhone connected and works just as it should, just bought a Nexus 7 to use as sat nav and was hoping that the audio/nav instructions would play through the car system when it was paied to the car but it appears not.
Am I doing something wrong, when I use the sat nav on my iphone the audio comes through the car system but not when my tablet is connected and paired it doesn't!!! Is the BMW bluetooth system for phones only?
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Old 01-08-2013, 09:04 AM
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Hi
Hope you guys can help.
I have a UK 2012 F30, it has the standard Bluetooth, no business sat nav etc but the option to hook upto 3 or 4 bluetooth devices.
Got my iPhone connected and works just as it should, just bought a Nexus 7 to use as sat nav and was hoping that the audio/nav instructions would play through the car system when it was paied to the car but it appears not.
Am I doing something wrong, when I use the sat nav on my iphone the audio comes through the car system but not when my tablet is connected and paired it doesn't!!! Is the BMW bluetooth system for phones only?
Hope you can help.
Peter
Which audio mode the iDrive is set to when the iPhone Nav audio comes through?
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Old 01-08-2013, 09:12 AM
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Which audio mode the iDrive is set to when the iPhone Nav audio comes through?
My iPhone is paired as a 'telephone' doesn't seem to be another option when pairing.
When I paired my tablet it appears I only have the option to pair as a 'telephone'. The tablet device pairs OK but no audio through the system. I am beginning to think whatever I do it won't work. Maybe I have the wrong bluetooth option on the car to make this work.
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Old 01-08-2013, 09:46 AM
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My iPhone is paired as a 'telephone' doesn't seem to be another option when pairing.
When I paired my tablet it appears I only have the option to pair as a 'telephone'. The tablet device pairs OK but no audio through the system. I am beginning to think whatever I do it won't work. Maybe I have the wrong bluetooth option on the car to make this work.
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There is no Bluetooth Audio in your iDrive, so you should be hearing the iPhone audio via the USB. Are you connecting the Nexus 7 via USB as well as pairing it via Bluetooth?

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Old 01-09-2013, 01:18 AM
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There is no Bluetooth Audio in your iDrive, so you should be hearing the iPhone audio via the USB. Are you connecting the Nexus 7 via USB as well as pairing it via Bluetooth?
I have bluetooth, iPhone is paired with it, no USB. The system allows me to pair via bluetooth 4 devices, as I said my tablet pairs OK (No USB) but the audio does not come through the car system. This is the standard telephone bluetooth prep and not the business package I have to assume that it only plays audio through the system from mobile phones and not tablets.
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Old 01-09-2013, 02:44 AM
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I have bluetooth, iPhone is paired with it, no USB. The system allows me to pair via bluetooth 4 devices, as I said my tablet pairs OK (No USB) but the audio does not come through the car system. This is the standard telephone bluetooth prep and not the business package I have to assume that it only plays audio through the system from mobile phones and not tablets.
There is no Bluetooth Audio in your car.

The thing is that there should not be any sound coming from your iPhone via the OEM speakers unless the iDrive audio source is the iPhone (and only via USB or while in a phone call). If anything that should be what is defective and not your Nexus 7 as its audio and the iDrive are functioning correctly.

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Old 01-09-2013, 08:54 AM
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Just speculation (because all F30s in the US have Business iDrive standard) but I think your original assumption is correct; it only works with phones.
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Old 01-09-2013, 12:22 PM
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I have bluetooth, iPhone is paired with it, no USB. The system allows me to pair via bluetooth 4 devices, as I said my tablet pairs OK (No USB) but the audio does not come through the car system. This is the standard telephone bluetooth prep and not the business package I have to assume that it only plays audio through the system from mobile phones and not tablets.
To perhaps clarify, there are two Bluetooth protocols in BMW's depending on which options you have:

Bluetooth Protocol: Connects you for phone calls.

Bluetooth Audio Protocol: Connects you for phone calls as well as streaming audio.

So this has nothing to do with tablets vs. smartphones. Without the BMW Assist w/Enhanced Bluetooth and USB feature, you don't have the Bluetooth Audio protocol, and thus you can't stream wireless audio.

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Old 01-09-2013, 12:42 PM
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What is confusing is that the OP is talking about "when I use the sat nav on my iphone the audio comes through the car system". Which I infer as being something like selecting Google Maps in the iPhone and somehow listening to the spoken directions via the car speakers using standard Bluetooth.

The only way that any audio from the iPhone that is not music can be heard via the car speakers without Bluetooth Audio is either during a phone call or having the iPhone connected via the USB, USB source selected, and then audio will go thru the speakers, including apps that generate audio via the USB, alerts and beeps.
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Old 01-09-2013, 12:47 PM
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What is confusing is that the OP is talking about "when I use the sat nav on my iphone the audio comes through the car system". Which I infer as being something like selecting Google Maps in the iPhone and somehow listening to the spoken directions via the car speakers using standard Bluetooth.

The only way that any audio from the iPhone that is not music can be heard via the car speakers without Bluetooth Audio is either during a phone call or having the iPhone connected via the USB, USB source selected, and then audio will go thru the speakers, including apps that generate audio via the USB, alerts and beeps.
Gotcha. I thought he was talking about steaming music, not inadvertent streaming of "app sound" through USB.

Question: So in a car without Bluetooth Audio, if one engages Siri which the F30 views as a phone call, a) does Siri even work and b) if so, does it connect to the mic/speakers?

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Old 01-09-2013, 12:57 PM
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Gotcha. I thought he was talking about steaming music, not inadvertent streaming of "app sound" through USB.

Question: So in a car without Bluetooth Audio, if one engages Siri which the F30 views as a phone call, a) does Siri even work and b) if so, does it connect to the mic/speakers?

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I thought that you tried some Siri trick in your car and make it somewhat work via the speakers...

The next big iDrive update should be Siri activation via the phone button at the steering wheel, though.
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:41 PM
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I thought that you tried some Siri trick in your car and make it somewhat work via the speakers...

The next big iDrive update should be Siri activation via the phone button at the steering wheel, though.
It's no trick- with BMW Assist w/EB+USB it just works. Press + hold the iPhone 'home' button, wait for the 'ding', you're in a Siri experience over the iDrive speakers.

What I don't know is for cars without BMW Assist w/EB+USB does Siri work the same way. Doesn't matter to me as I have that feature, just thinking someone will ask once Apple and BMW release the integrated solution.

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Old 01-09-2013, 03:47 PM
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It's no trick- with BMW Assist w/EB+USB it just works. Press + hold the iPhone 'home' button, wait for the 'ding', you're in a Siri experience over the iDrive speakers.

What I don't know is for cars without BMW Assist w/EB+USB does Siri work the same way. Doesn't matter to me as I have that feature, just thinking someone will ask once Apple and BMW release the integrated solution.

BJ
It works the same, as long as the audio source selected is USB or Bluetooth Audio for the sound to be piped thru the OEM speakers.

If Bluetooth is enabled and the iPhone is paired then the OEM mic is used, as the iPhone is doing a phone "call" once Siri is activated -you will see your iPhone phone number in the iDrive display like you are making a phone call to yourself.

If Bluetooth is disabled, then the iPhone mic will be used. No phone "call" will be made.
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Given that Siri works like a phone, then BJ's post is right. The bluetooth standards in question here are telephone and audio. Without enhanced bluetooth (i.e. audio), then only the telephone protocol is used. I think OPs Nexus 7 pairs with the phone protocol only (seems silly, but it makes sense for things like Skype).
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Given that Siri works like a phone, then BJ's post is right. The bluetooth standards in question here are telephone and audio. Without enhanced bluetooth (i.e. audio), then only the telephone protocol is used. I think OPs Nexus 7 pairs with the phone protocol only (seems silly, but it makes sense for things like Skype).
Siri works via OEM speakers regardless of Bluetooth pairing or not, as long as the USB audio source is selected. Otherwise there is no sound thru the OEM speakers.

That's the thing that it is confusing in this thread. Somehow and apparently, at least a sat nav app in the OP's iPhone can be heard thru the OEM speakers just using standard Bluetooth -no USB.
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Old 01-09-2013, 04:28 PM
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It works the same, as long as the audio source selected is USB or Bluetooth Audio for the sound to be piped thru the OEM speakers.

If Bluetooth is enabled and the iPhone is paired then the OEM mic is used, as the iPhone is doing a phone "call" once Siri is activated -you will see your iPhone phone number in the iDrive display like you are making a phone call to yourself.

If Bluetooth is disabled, then the iPhone mic will be used. No phone "call" will be made.
Makes sense.

I use Siri in my F30 all the time. I don't even bother with the Office stuff for text messages either because with Siri she can read the text to me, let me compose a response, and let me send it all with my voice and without taking my eyes off the road.

Same for stock quotes, sports scores, weather, appointments, email composition, post to Facebook, post to Twitter, etc.

All one has to do is Press + Hold the home button, wait for the Siri "ding", and then say something like "what's the score of the New York Rangers game?" and she'll answer you immediately. To end the Siri session, merely tap the backlight button on the top edge of the iPhone.

A list of all Siri commands is here:

http://www.windowstablet.tv/iphone/8...siri-commands/

Give it a try. It's like an unexpected F30 surprise.

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Bmw 320d F30 2012 Bluetooth Audio ...HELP

I have a BMW 320D 2012 VIN F292826. I have an option 6NH in VIN decoder. which allows telephone bluetooth connection. BUt doesnt allow the following

1) Audio streaming via bluetooth

2) Voice control via steering voice button

I thought the hardware was there in the car with above option, it just needs code changed from 6NH to 6NK or 6NS in VO.

Is that true or it needs a lot of hardware and not worth looking at that. Secondly I thought siri could be enabled thru the voice button on steering wheel, but that too doesnt work.

Please do give me suggestions on what it needs.

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Siri works via OEM speakers regardless of Bluetooth pairing or not, as long as the USB audio source is selected. Otherwise there is no sound thru the OEM speakers.

That's the thing that it is confusing in this thread. Somehow and apparently, at least a sat nav app in the OP's iPhone can be heard thru the OEM speakers just using standard Bluetooth -no USB. :dunno:
I have had my 2011 E90 do this. I don't even have Idrive, no BT audio steaming obviously. The standard Iphone NAV app won't play directions through the car speakers, but one app.... I think it was mapquest maybe, will in fact play nav instructions through the car speakers. I have my Iphone paired through BT for telephone, I have a Ipod connected to y cable to play music. I have never used my Iphone to stream music.

When I use that app (think it's mapquest), no telephone call in progress, music playing from Sat radio, or from Ipod, as soon as I get a Nav instruction, music stops, my old school two line red display pops up telephone (as if I am in a call)... and I hear the nav directions. Then it disconnects and resumes playing music.

Not sure it still works. I find I use the default Iphone nav more frequently now. The constant connect, and disconnect for the Nav was annoying when trying to listen to music. It does work they way the OP described.... sometimes....
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Not directly related to the OP's question, but windows phone will speak directions over basic bluetooth (I have an F30 with phone connection only). It takes an incoming call and auto answers it, and the turn directions are spoken as though someone is talking to me on the phone, then it hangs up. Works really well.

I recently switched to an android phone and I'm using a bluetooth receiver in the centre console, linked to the aux in. My phone is paired with that receiver for media, and paired with the car for phone. That lets me get satnav voice over the car speakers when I select the aux in, and still receive calls. The downside is that I have to use the phone for audio too so I can't listen to the radio if I want audio from the phone.
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It took me some time to realize that some Map apps use the Bluetooth phone profile to interrupt all sources to play the guidance via the OEM sound system.

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I have had my 2011 E90 do this. I don't even have Idrive, no BT audio steaming obviously. The standard Iphone NAV app won't play directions through the car speakers, but one app.... I think it was mapquest maybe, will in fact play nav instructions through the car speakers. I have my Iphone paired through BT for telephone, I have a Ipod connected to y cable to play music. I have never used my Iphone to stream music.

When I use that app (think it's mapquest), no telephone call in progress, music playing from Sat radio, or from Ipod, as soon as I get a Nav instruction, music stops, my old school two line red display pops up telephone (as if I am in a call)... and I hear the nav directions. Then it disconnects and resumes playing music.

Not sure it still works. I find I use the default Iphone nav more frequently now. The constant connect, and disconnect for the Nav was annoying when trying to listen to music. It does work they way the OP described.... sometimes....
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