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Old 01-10-2013, 06:27 AM
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2014 Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG 4Matic announced (M5 killer?)

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Mercedes-Benz has officially revealed the 2014 E63 AMG sedan and estate, following a previous photo released earlier this week.
Set to make its public debut at next week's Detroit Motor Show, the revamped E63 AMG comes with a considerably more aggressive front fascia featuring new headlamps, bespoke grille and bumper with large air ducts and a central splitter aimed to improve air flow underneath the vehicle. At the back the bumper has been restyled and houses an updated diffuser and quad trapezoidal tailpipes.
At its heart is the same V8 5.5-liter twin-turbo engine but AMG has further tweaked it now generating 557 HP (410 kW) at 5,500 rpm and 720 Nm (531 lb-ft) between 1,750 and 5,250 rpm. It enables the high-performance sedan to perform the 0-62 mph (0-100 km/h) sprint in 4.2 seconds. The all-wheel drive 4MATIC variant can do it in 3.7 seconds for the sedan and 3.8 seconds for the wagon.
Mercedes-Benz is also introducing the E63 AMG 4MATIC S-Model for both body styles with a rear differential lock and a more powerful variant of the same engine providing 585 HP (430 kW) at 5,500 rpm and 800 Nm (590 lb-ft) between 1,750 and 5,000 rpm. This will reach 62 mph in 3.6 / 3.7 seconds (sedan / estate). Regardless of the version, all models have an electronically limited top speed of 250 km/h (155 mph).
Power is sent to wheels via the AMG SPEEDSHIFT MCT seven-speed sports transmission which offers four modes: C (Controlled Efficiency), S (Sport), S+ (Sport Plus) and M (Manual). A ceramic brake system is optionally available and comes with ventilated and perforated 360mm brake discs with silver calipers for the regular AMG model and red ones for the higher-spec S-Model.
The S-Model is further distinguished by 19-inch, 10-spoke alloys with 255/35 R19 and 285/30 R 19 tires (front / rear). The front splitter and rear trim strip have a silver chrome finish, while the sedan has a body-colored spoiler lip which reduces lift at high speeds.
The RWD versions will go on sale in April, followed by the 4MATIC and S-Model variants in June.

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'14 CLS AMG is also getting same upgrades. 4MATIC + power bump


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CLS getting the same power and 4wheel drive treatment for 2014. No design changes though.

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S-Model comes with 585 HP

Mercedes-Benz has revealed the 2014 CLS 63 AMG and Shooting Brake which will make their debut next week at the Detroit Motor Show.
Aside from launching the updated E63 AMG, Mercedes has announced today the 2014 CLS 63 AMG which carries over the same engine upgrades as the range-topping E-Class model. The V8 5.5-liter bi-turbo is now capable of producing 557 HP (410 kW) at 5,500 rpm and 720 Nm (531 lb-ft) between 1,750 rpm and 5,250 rpm. The four-door coupe completes the 0-62 mph (0-100 km/h) run in 4.2 seconds while the Shooting Brake needs an additional 0.1 seconds. The 4MATIC versions do it in 3.7 and 3.8 seconds, respectively.
The updated CLS lineup will also be offered in the 4MATIC S-Model variant which lifts output to 585 HP (430 kW) at 5,500 rpm and 800 Nm (590 lb-ft) between 1,750 and 5,000 rpm. It enables the coupe to hit 62 mph in 3.6 seconds and the Shooting Brake in 3.7 seconds. All models have an electronically limited top speed of 155 mph (250 km/h).
The seven-speed AMG SPEEDSHIFT transmission is offered with four modes: Controlled Efficiency (C), Sport (S), Sport Plus (S+) and Manual (M). The S-Model is fitted with a rear-axle differential lock and comes with red painted calipers, while on the inside there's a black Nappa leather steering wheel, a revised AMG instrument cluster and grey contrasting stitching.
The rear-wheel drive model is slated to go on sale in April, followed by the all-wheel drive version and the S-Model in June.


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Old 01-10-2013, 07:34 AM
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I think a "M5 competitor" would be a better phrase than "M5 killer". I think it will come down to personal preference. These cars aren't track cars so it doesn't matter if one is faster on a race track or not. In the real world of driving they will be very close.
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Old 01-10-2013, 08:22 AM
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I simply don't like the interior of that E-Class. The "harmony" is missing.

The performance-numbers sound good though...
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Old 01-10-2013, 08:29 AM
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They nailed the exterior design of this car, IMO.

I'm surprised Dunderhi didn't wait for this to replace his 550. After all it's balls out fast AND has AWD....
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Old 01-10-2013, 08:49 AM
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Benz is making progress. When you see a BMW M-car it looks like the ultimate expression of that body style, what it was designed to be and that the non Ms are stripped down versions. The AMGs on the other hand are vulgar and looks like the non AMGs in drag or like old men wearing teenager clothes. This E however looks more natural in AMG outfit, I kind of like it. The CLS is just a hideous over the top flamboyant drag queen in any style. The cls wagon is truly ghastly.
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Old 01-10-2013, 11:00 AM
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I simply don't like the interior of that E-Class. The "harmony" is missing.

The performance-numbers sound good though...
I agree. The interior seems quite dated to the otherwise great exterior.
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Old 01-10-2013, 12:29 PM
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That car looks nice, that fascia looks quite similar to the "m sport" front end (anyone else think so?). The interior looks "okay" I've never gotten used to the dial pad on the dash like that, it sticks out like a sore thumb, nice post though, those numbers are sick... V/r, Tim
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Old 01-10-2013, 12:41 PM
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They nailed the exterior design of this car, IMO.

I'm surprised Dunderhi didn't wait for this to replace his 550. After all it's balls out fast AND has AWD....
It appears that I was successful in pushing him him to stay with the BMW family since he could find AWD BMW's that fit his needs. I have my radar on the 650/M6 next....
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The back, and shifter still look like A$$, but the front is awesome.
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M-B really outdid themselves on this one. This is one disjointed, incoherent mess of a design. Very desperate attempt to "about-face" the original W212. A rounded/organic front grafted onto an angular and ruler-straight body, lots of discordance, and that Star grille on the front is just blasphemy on the car (although looks MUCH better on the E63 than how it looks on the regular facelift E).

Of course I'm partial to the look of the original W212, but love it or hate it, at least it had one theme in mind (angular).
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M-B really outdid themselves on this one. This is one disjointed, incoherent mess of a design. Very desperate attempt to "about-face" the original W212. A rounded/organic front grafted onto an angular and ruler-straight body, lots of discordance, and that Star grille on the front is just blasphemy on the car (although looks MUCH better on the E63 than how it looks on the regular facelift E).

Of course I'm partial to the look of the original W212, but love it or hate it, at least it had one theme in mind (angular).
lol If someone had showed me that front I'd have said redesign for the c63

They chopped a 2013 Eclass in half and stuck a new front on it
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Old 01-10-2013, 02:23 PM
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I think MB did a good job on the overall facelift. The front and rear bumpers look really aggressive. However, I'm not a fan of the star embedded grill on a sedan. That was always a signature on the coupes. That grill makes it follow the looks of the C Class & CLS Class. Looks like the E is undergoing an identity crisis. I would much rather see the E63 with the original grill with the star emblem on top. That was the look all previous generations of Es had.

Nice updates to the bland interior we saw in the pre-facelift version. However, the overall design still lacks that wow factor you expect from MB especially from their best selling model.
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the 4matic is the thing that puts it over the top for me regarding m5 and the e63. I'm trading in my 12 cls63 launch the moment it gets 4matic.



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The headlights and spoilers are gross and yeah the interior just looks like a cylon vomited up parts in there and wtf is up with that shifter?
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Wow I want one - I agree the design is not the prettiest but AWD and AMG is awesome.
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They nailed the exterior design of this car, IMO.

I'm surprised Dunderhi didn't wait for this to replace his 550. After all it's balls out fast AND has AWD....
Don't forget, Mrs D made the offer; I can get two normal cars now and in three years when we are mortgage free I could get something really nice. I was dreaming about an MB SLS, but now I'm dreaming of an AWD SLS. I know, I know, it will never happen, but a guy can dream ever now and then.

Anyway, if the M5 couldn't win the comparos against RWD E63 and the S6, the future doesn't look to rosy when it has to face the AWD E63 & RS6. From what I have been reading there's already a glut of unsold M5s buildng at the dealerships.
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Autounion is happy; happy that he is the first to announce a "M5 killer?"

ps remember to derive more pleasure, much more, when announcing the RS6

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I dig it. Very nice looking and the numbers (and probably sound) are awesome.

But which is more fun to drive??
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Design wise, they seem to be trying to hard to rectify the wrongs of the W212's weird angular design by smoothing it out, while not making it too dramatic of a change before it gets replaced by the next generation E. The interior is spiffied up, but it is still a very staid looking design, trying too hard once again. But the specs don't lie. It will be real interesting to see where it ends up compared to the M5 and RS6.
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Don't forget, Mrs D made the offer; I can get two normal cars now and in three years when we are mortgage free I could get something really nice. I was dreaming about an MB SLS, but now I'm dreaming of an AWD SLS. I know, I know, it will never happen, but a guy can dream ever now and then.

Anyway, if the M5 couldn't win the comparos against RWD E63 and the S6, the future doesn't look to rosy when it has to face the AWD E63 & RS6. From what I have been reading there's already a glut of unsold M5s buildng at the dealerships.
your dream already came true. SLS electric is AWD.
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Don't forget, Mrs D made the offer; I can get two normal cars now and in three years when we are mortgage free I could get something really nice. I was dreaming about an MB SLS, but now I'm dreaming of an AWD SLS. I know, I know, it will never happen, but a guy can dream ever now and then.

Anyway, if the M5 couldn't win the comparos against RWD E63 and the S6, the future doesn't look to rosy when it has to face the AWD E63 & RS6. From what I have been reading there's already a glut of unsold M5s buildng at the dealerships.
Good when I go to get mine I'll have some bargaining power
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