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Old 01-15-2013, 08:57 AM
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3rd gen RFTs are overrated

I have had them on my E91 for about six months now. For reference, this is a non ZSP suspension with 225/45 17 at all four corners. The car came stock with the Turanzas which I later replaced with Kuhmo Summer only RFTs before returning to all seasons

IMO, the improvement in ride comfort over the previous sets of tires is noticeable, but not marked by any means. It is subtle, at best. Meanwhile, the downgrade in handling from the summer tires is very, very significant.

The 3G potenzas are nice, but nothing special IMO. When these die, I will not get another set.
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Bridgestone 3G is better, but still a poor tire - the Michelin rides and handles much better than any of Bridgestones efforts.
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Bridgestone 3G is better, but still a poor tire - the Michelin rides and handles much better than any of Bridgestones efforts.

I wouldn't call the Potenzas "poor tires." I just don't think they are anything special. And, they may be "ultra performance" but the loss in performance over the inexpensive Kuhmo Ecsta is very, very noticeable.
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I seriously considered the 3rd generation RFTs last summer when I purchased new tires for the E93. I had been burned so badly by the OEM RFTs that came with the car I decided against it.

I like the idea of RFTs but hated the way they drive on the 335i. I don't mind them at all on the 750.

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I seriously considered the 3rd generation RFTs last summer when I purchased new tires for the E93. I had been burned do badly by the OEM RFTs that came with the car I decided against it.

I like the idea of RFTs but hated the way they drive on the 335i. I don't mind them at all on the 750.

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The ride has been OK for me with all the RFTs I've owned - even the OEM BS Turanzas. But, then my base suspension E91 probably doesn't handly nearly as well as your E93.
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I have the RE960AS 3G RFTs on my E93. I think 5000 miles into them, they started feeling a little softer. Not sure exactly how or why, but they did. I went with these tires because I didn't want bother with replacing tires for a while.
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If you want quality ride ditch the run flat and get some Michelin pilot sport.
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If you want quality ride ditch the run flat and get some Michelin pilot sport.

Gotta be honest....+++1

Potenzas? A facet of the socialist 'corrosion' psyop and a demonic attempt to blunt the industriousness of hard working, honest, gun owning peoples.

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I have them. They are not the best, but they are way better than my original OEM RFs. Totally acceptable. My inferior AWD suspension is much happier now.
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I have the RE960AS 3G RFTs on my E93. I think 5000 miles into them, they started feeling a little softer. Not sure exactly how or why, but they did. I went with these tires because I didn't want bother with replacing tires for a while.
The main reason I did too. Tired of burning through summer tires.
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The main reason I did too. Tired of burning through summer tires.
I had the Michelin PS2 on my 128i and last over over 25K as we speak plenty of tread left, Potenza is agreat tires but they don't last.Once is time to replace my tires Michelin pilot super sport is next on the list.
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The main reason I did too. Tired of burning through summer tires.
Kilgore, I assume the Potenzas you had were the 960 AS RFTs. How was the handling (especially in the wet) compared to the OEM Turanza EL42s? And did you get a chance to compare the snow/ice performance between the two?

The 16" EL42's on my E91 are wearing quite well but I'm disappointed in the wet weather traction. I'm considering the 960s in a year or two when my current tires will be worn down to 4/32".

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I have to agree, overrated. I also have the 225/45/17's at all corners. I honestly don't notice any improvement in ride comfort over my OEM continentals. Although maybe it is slightly better... just hard to tell without a back to back comparison. I'm sure the handling is better, but I rarely push the limits of my tires, so that is definitely somethign I wouldn't notice.

If i had it to do over again, I'd probably get the continentals. In all the time I had my conti's, i never got a tire bubble....even after hitting big potholes. Two weeks after I got the 3G potenzas, got a bubble. Granted, it was a hug pothole...but still.
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I am running Pilot Sports right now and changing those out for RFT Michelin Primacy's and putting the Michelins Pilot Sports on my M3. I didn't mind the Conti they were a good tire long wear but harsh transition over expansion joints. Handling? this is a convertible so I expect adequate handling and long tire wear. To expect good handling on a 4000 convertible is a bit much...
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I am running Pilot Sports right now and changing those out for RFT Michelin Primacy's and putting the Michelins Pilot Sports on my M3. I didn't mind the Conti they were a good tire long wear but harsh transition over expansion joints. Handling? this is a convertible so I expect adequate handling and long tire wear. To expect good handling on a 4000 convertible is a bit much...

Ohhhhhhhhh, no no no no no.

Handling is available....might have t'do some R&R....
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The original deathstone RFTs on the 2006 were horrific. I got mine replaced at 19k with 50% credit (same deal that was later offered in the class action settlement). Sorry, but one strike you are out, I buy tires infrequently so that's it for Bridgestone.

The next set was Conti ContactSport RFT - lasted roughly 45k excepting one that was punctured. Much better ride. Replaced with another set of Conti's that currently has 20k miles.

Tempting to go with non-RFTs but lack of a spare is a real deterrent, even for local driving. I would have to see the difference in an extended test drive, and I don't know any tire shops that provide loaners. Good experience with Pirelli non-RFTs on my earlier BMWs but I'm not going to pay a fortune for them (or Michelins).

PS I Would never ever consider Kumho - check the ratings on TireRack. Not worth the savings to get a crap tire.
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The factory 225/45R17 RFTs I have on my E93 supply a superb ride and handle pretty well too, non-ZSP suspension. I thought I read here on the Fest that starting with 2011 BMW had revised the suspension to work with the RFTs better? Maybe that's the difference. No complaints here. Will happily replace the factory tires with an identical set if/when I need to replace them.

The 18" RFTs in the 2012 X5d provide a pretty good ride too
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The factory 225/45R17 RFTs I have on my E93 supply a superb ride and handle pretty well too, non-ZSP suspension. I thought I read here on the Fest that starting with 2011 BMW had revised the suspension to work with the RFTs better? Maybe that's the difference. No complaints here. Will happily replace the factory tires with an identical set if/when I need to replace them.

The 18" RFTs in the 2012 X5d provide a pretty good ride too
Ride quality is very subjective. The few online tests I've seen of the E91 have all dinged it on ride, but I've personally been very satisfied.

So, you and I may be feel good about the ride quality of our vehicles, but I'm not sure others would agree with us.
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Kilgore, I assume the Potenzas you had were the 960 AS RFTs. How was the handling (especially in the wet) compared to the OEM Turanza EL42s? And did you get a chance to compare the snow/ice performance between the two?

The 16" EL42's on my E91 are wearing quite well but I'm disappointed in the wet weather traction. I'm considering the 960s in a year or two when my current tires will be worn down to 4/32".

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I live in Los Angeles. We have very little rain, and no snow or ice.
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I'll be replacing my EL42s with re960AS on the weekend.
Hated the EL42 since I got the car.
I'll chime in after I get the new shoes.
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Ride quality is very subjective. The few online tests I've seen of the E91 have all dinged it on ride, but I've personally been very satisfied.

So, you and I may be feel good about the ride quality of our vehicles, but I'm not sure others would agree with us.
Ride quality may be subjective but having the car break when you hit a road imperfection reality. With the OEM setup (RFTs plus the stock dampers) I destroyed 5 rims and 8 tires.

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Installed my Michelin Primacy's yesterday removed the Pilots. Will report the quality of the ride when I get a few hundred miles on them. Primacy's are 1 pound heavier than the Conti SSR's that were OEM.
If I want handling I will drive my M3 this car is for enjoyable cruising.
Oh the Pilots were much noiser than the Conti tires and I expect the Primacy's to be as quiet as the Conti's...
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Ride quality is very subjective. The few online tests I've seen of the E91 have all dinged it on ride, but I've personally been very satisfied.

So, you and I may be feel good about the ride quality of our vehicles, but I'm not sure others would agree with us.
Yes, but I can't possibly imagine anybody complaining about the ride quality in my car. One of the smoothest riding cars I've owned, and maintains composure even over rough pavement and potholes. I've noticed that just about everybody complaining seems to have pre-2011 E9x's.
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