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Old 01-22-2013, 04:35 PM
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Instead of having 97 different "blacks" can BMW bring back "STAHLGRAU" Steel Grey please, TIA.
Unfortunately, the 97 different "Blacks" aren't even Black (hence, your quote, un-quote).

Carbon and Azurite are Blue and Citrin and Ruby are Brown.

Are there any other Individual "Blacks" to account for?

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Old 01-22-2013, 04:37 PM
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The 6 pictured is not Citrin Black, but Ruby Black.

I have a 7 in Citrin and it looks more like this:

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/att...7-series-1.jpg
dbs, do you have a picture of your Citrin Black in sunlight or a cloudy bright day? I'd be interested in seeing a more accurate image. Thanks!
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Old 01-22-2013, 05:49 PM
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dbs, do you have a picture of your Citrin Black in sunlight or a cloudy bright day? I'd be interested in seeing a more accurate image. Thanks!
Not the best shots, but I'll try to replace with better after a wash, when sunny, when possible.

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Old 01-22-2013, 05:56 PM
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Two very acurate pictures (best described as the darkest possible Bronze, when not able to see its Yellow/Gold, Green and Red/Pink flake):
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Two very acurate pictures (best described as the darkest possible Bronze, when not able to see its Yellow/Gold, Green and Red/Pink flake):
That's gorgeous.

I've only seen the Bronze Matte in the flesh. I'm definitely going to be looking that way in my next toy.
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Old 01-22-2013, 08:26 PM
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Two very acurate pictures (best described as the darkest possible Bronze, when not able to see its Yellow/Gold, Green and Red/Pink flake):
Thanks. I still wonder if those pics I found online of the 640i (above) were really Citrin but the camera was tending a little toward red. It still seemed browner to me than Ruby. Here's a twist. I stopped by my BMW dealer yesterday just "for fun", since I was off for ML King Day. The sales manager who I know from buying 3 BMW's there told me the "new" pricing for Individual paint was going to be $5500, rather than the stand-alone $1800. I explained that you don't need the full Individual composition when just ordering the paint colors (as opposed to the Individual ineriors), but he seemed to insist on this alternate pricing. I'll wait to see when the 2014's actually arrive and we see official pricing. If it is $5500, sorry, but out of my league . I've had 3 Black Sapphires and I'm also thinking of Imperial Blue for my next one (or the Citrin for $1800).
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Old 01-22-2013, 09:36 PM
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The configurator is often WRONG!
True.

The order-sheets, however, don't show it either - and they tend to be quite accurate.

What amazes me is that BMW made a press-announcement about it and than simply swept the exclusion under the carpet.
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Old 01-22-2013, 09:43 PM
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Some BMW Individual paints are $5,000; ones that haven't been produced in a while, are for different models, are matched to sample, are from different manufacturers, etc.

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Old 01-22-2013, 09:44 PM
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True.

The order-sheets, however, don't show it either - and they tend to be quite accurate.

What amazes me is that BMW made a press-announcement about it and than simply swept the exclusion under the carpet.
I've seen the order sheets be wrong too!

(I went through hell ordering my car; even my window sticker came in wrong, which I had them correct!)
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Old 01-22-2013, 10:01 PM
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I found this link, which clearly says what's pictured is Citrin:

http://www.6post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=687853

But I'm still not sure, as when you look at the close up of the rear 3/4, you see no yellow/gold, green or red/pink flake; only flakes in the red and brown family, which is very similar to the former 6 Series c-pillar shot I posted.

Here's another Ruby Black 6 Gran Coupe:

http://www.bimmerfest.com/news/66654...ego-auto-show/

Whatever the case, the photos may not be acurate and Citrin looks Bronze in person, while Ruby looks Eggplant.

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Old 01-22-2013, 10:21 PM
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I've seen the order sheets be wrong too!
Yeah, that's when it's getting nasty!

But when it comes to the individual package and the leather dash, I think I found proof that we are indeed dealing with a wrong press-announcement:

http://www.bimmerfest.com/news/62516...-3,-5-and-6er/

BMW Individual
We are pleased to announce the release of BMW Individual on the 5 Series Sedan as of July production. The BMW Individual Composition package (ZI1) contains exclusive BMW Individual features and
luxurious finishes including:
Extended Merino leather upholstery
19" BMW Individual alloy wheels (all-season tires for xDrive, performance tires for RWD); not available for ActiveHybrid 5
Leather dashboard
BMW Individual door sills
BMW Individual trims
Alcantara headliner
Shadowline trim (or BMW Individual Satin Aluminum trim)



And this is how an F10 BMW Individual in the US actually looks like:

http://www.zibe.com/for-sale/new-201...91.html#Photos



Doesn't look like a "leather dash" to me...
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This color, Marrakesh, would've been $5k:
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Old 01-22-2013, 10:28 PM
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Here's an F10 M Sport Pack with a BMW Individual interior:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7036/6...4fedb576_b.jpg
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Here's an F10 M Sport Pack with a BMW Individual interior:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7036/6...4fedb576_b.jpg
My guess is that this is the leather dash, ordered as a separate option since you can't combine the individual composition and the sport package.
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Little known secret: you can combine anything you like... for a price, that is (don't get me started).

But looks like you're on to something! No leather dash on this auto either:

http://www.eastbaybmw.com/detail-201...w-9873242.html

Good representation of Citrin Black, however.
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I now know (recall) why this is happening:

The order guide uses options codes that are universal across the model lineup.

Such that the 7 Ind Comp Pack is coded "ZI1" and has the leather dash, it's showing up as the same code - with the same content - for the 5 Ind Comp Pack, albeit the 5 has fewer actual features, no matter what the order guide says.

Same happened in this thread, where the package for which "power" rear sunshades was to be a part of listed the 7's rear shades as being "manual" - when they were actually alwasy "power" - because the 5 Series had the same package, but with "manual" rear shades:

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=625079

If that makes any sense.

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Old 01-23-2013, 12:22 AM
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Here's a Porsche color (Macadamia), a Bentley color (Neptune) and BMW's Atacama Yellow:
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Which interior color are you leaning towards, Mark?

Btw, I really like this: http://www.6post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=748041

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Old 01-23-2013, 12:50 AM
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Yes, that car is in FL.

Otherwise, window sticker on this car shows color as being $5k:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BMW-7...item3a7d8df17d
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How does one get a list of these special $5K colors which BMW offers?
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1. You have to be very serious about going the route, as dealers would be furious to order such a car, only for you to back out upon delivery.

2. Work with the most highly respected dealer that's been around for a long time in your area.

3. Work with the most experienced salesperson at said dealer, even if it means ditching your current salesperson.

Side note: Sales managers may purposely draw you away from the program (so they may mislead you, whether on availability or price), as it's not in their interest to order a car, only for you to back out upon delivery, as stated.

Otherwise, there's no set number of colors and any color is in the realm of possibility. You see something on an 80's BMW, no prob, on a new Porsche, no prob. Only thing I don't think they do is the Land Rover multi-colored Spectral ChromaFlair paint.

Are you considering a new toy?

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Check out the leather dash half way down:

http://f10.5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=552020

Nice!
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I now know (recall) why this is happening:

The order guide uses options codes that are universal across the model lineup.

Such that the 7 Ind Comp Pack is coded "ZI1" and has the leather dash, it's showing up as the same code - with the same content - for the 5 Ind Comp Pack, albeit the 5 has fewer actual features, no matter what the order guide says.

Same happened in this thread, where the package for which "power" rear sunshades was to be a part of listed the 7's rear shades as being "manual" - when they were actually alwasy "power" - because the 5 Series had the same package, but with "manual" rear shades:

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=625079

If that makes any sense.
It does make a lot of sense - so most likely, they just used "copy & paste" when setting up the individual description on the F10.

Wow, that's bad - especially on a press announcement..


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But looks like you're on to something! No leather dash on this auto either:

http://www.eastbaybmw.com/detail-201...w-9873242.html
Funny - that's the exact same car I posted the picture of before. Seems that there aren't too many F10s out there with individual composition.
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general rule of thumb from dealers and wholesalers: Colors don't add money. Bad colors detract from book value. Normal colors simply hold book value.
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