Food for thought again ? Cadillac ATS

http://www.leftlanenews.com/cadillac-ats-v6-review.html

Wrong section but the 3.6L is one hell of a good argument why I would take the ATS over a 328i.

Lost all credibility here:

The pint-size Cadillac is the perfect home for this 3.6-liter V6. Saddled with an acceptably lithe 3,500 lbs. to tote around

Originally Posted by Saintor

Wrong section but the 3.6L is one hell of a good argument why I would take the ATS over a 328i.

Except it only comes with a completely flawed 6-speed auto.

Originally Posted by Carnook

Except it only comes with a completely flawed 6-speed auto.

Wrong. I love my 6L45. Of course the ZF 8-sp. is better.

Originally Posted by Saintor

Wrong. I love my 6L45. Of course the ZF 8-sp. is better.

The ZF isn't just better, its in a completely different league. I bet Cadillac will replace or retune the 6L45 next model year. Its just not up to the task they way its implemented in the current model year.

Originally Posted by Carnook

The ZF isn't just better, its in a completely different league. I bet Cadillac will replace or retune the 6L45 next model year. Its just not up to the task they way its implemented in the current model year.

Nobdy is complaining about the ATS automatic transmission except you.

"The ATS' redundant steering wheel switches work mostly as intended, but they aren't perfectly ergonomic and their back lighting got rather toasty on extended drives."
I am not praising f30, but above is just unacceptable

the engine is made in Australia by GM Holden

same engine used by Saab and Alfa

Please God, not another Cadillac ATS thread.

BJ

Originally Posted by boltjaM3s

Please God, not another Cadillac ATS thread.

BJ

While I can't deny that the subject has been beaten to death here you do not help the situation when you continually post in the threads and repeat the same thing over and over.

Let's both stay out of this one and hopefully it will die on the vine.

CA

Originally Posted by PK2348

"The ATS' redundant steering wheel switches work mostly as intended, but they aren't perfectly ergonomic and their back lighting got rather toasty on extended drives."
I am not praising f30, but above is just unacceptable

Don't know what this is about since I have not read any such complaint by any ATS drivers. Complaints there are many, just not this one

I also don't see anything wrong with the ATS 6 spd. Other than fuel economy, I prefer 6 spd over 8 spd, especially if you like to use the manual mode often.

One thing I agree with them, the ATS 3.6 drove more BMW than BMW. The driving experience exceeds that of 335i, even though it maybe slightly slower.

What the ATS lacks is an M-Sport equivalent appearance package.

Originally Posted by Carnook

The ZF isn't just better, its in a completely different league. I bet Cadillac will replace or retune the 6L45 next model year. Its just not up to the task they way its implemented in the current model year.

Never heard any complaints about the ATS 6-speed auto, maybe you mean the manual?

In any case, Caddy has said they're putting an 8-speed in the ATS next year.

Originally Posted by Chris90

Never heard any complaints about the ATS 6-speed auto, maybe you mean the manual?

In any case, Caddy has said they're putting an 8-speed in the ATS next year.

The 6spd in the ATS is a ZF, I don't know what he was saying either.

BTW, so far, the average age of the ATS drivers is about 5 years younger than that of the 3 series. I think BJ needs to hurry up post a picture of his 70-year-old mom next to a 320i to match all the Caddy pictures he had

I'll just complain about automatic transmissions in general. We all should be able to choose if we want a manual or automatic transmission. The new auto's are very good but the experience is totally different from a manual.

Originally Posted by Saintor

Nobdy is complaining about the ATS automatic transmission except you.

Originally Posted by Saintor

Nobdy is complaining about the ATS automatic transmission except you.

Yeah nobody is complaining. Just Car and Driver, Motor Trend, CNET...

I like the ATS and think its a good car, but its let down by its tranny and CUE. Improve those two things and it will be a much better car.

Originally Posted by Saintor

Wrong section but the 3.6L is one hell of a good argument why I would take the ATS over a 328i.

Originally Posted by dtc100

Don't know what this is about since I have not read any such complaint by any ATS drivers. Complaints there are many, just not this one

I also don't see anything wrong with the ATS 6 spd. Other than fuel economy, I prefer 6 spd over 8 spd, especially if you like to use the manual mode often.

One thing I agree with them, the ATS 3.6 drove more BMW than BMW. The driving experience exceeds that of 335i, even though it maybe slightly slower.

What the ATS lacks is an M-Sport equivalent appearance package.

The first word that comes to my mind about the 3.6 V6 in the ATS is "weak". The next word that comes to mind is "unrefined". On hard acceleration from a standstill low end torque is seriously lacking. I'd rather have the naturally aspirated I6 in my 330i any day and the N55 absolutely spanks the Caddy's 3.6 V6. Not surprisingly the V6 doesn't come close to the wonderfully linear pull of the I6.

Originally Posted by tturedraider

the first word that comes to my mind about the 3.6 v6 in the ats is "weak". The next word that comes to mind is "unrefined". On hard acceleration from a standstill low end torque is seriously lacking. I'd rather have the naturally aspirated i6 in my 330i any day and the n55 absolutely spanks the caddy's 3.6 v6. Not surprisingly the v6 doesn't come close to the wonderfully linear pull of the i6.

+1

Originally Posted by Carnook

Yeah nobody is complaining. Just Car and Driver, Motor Trend, CNET...

I like the ATS and think its a good car, but its let down by its tranny and CUE. Improve those two things and it will be a much better car.

Those magazines and sites were complaining about the 6MT not the AT.

Originally Posted by Carnook

Except it only comes with a completely flawed 6-speed auto.

How is it flawed? It is one of the best 6 speed autos on the market today. Stop posting false information.

Originally Posted by Carnook

The ZF isn't just better, its in a completely different league. I bet Cadillac will replace or retune the 6L45 next model year. Its just not up to the task they way its implemented in the current model year.

Wrong. Try again.


"While we’re disappointed that the ATS’s most potent engine is denied a clutch and an H-pattern, at least it has an automatic that thinks like a stick. When you grab a shift with either the console lever or a steering-wheel paddle, this transmission does what it can to heighten the fun. It drops gears when you slow for a turn to maximize the blast out of the bend and delays upshifts during acceleration until you pull the trigger or hit the redline. A full manual mode can be engaged by moving the lever to the left. In that setting, no shift occurs without a paddle tap or a lever nudge, even when the tach needle is bumping the rev limiter."

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...s-sedan-page-2

Originally Posted by Carnook

Yeah nobody is complaining. Just Car and Driver, Motor Trend, CNET...

I like the ATS and think its a good car, but its let down by its tranny and CUE. Improve those two things and it will be a much better car.

Wrong again! See post above directly quoted from C & D.

Originally Posted by tturedraider

The first word that comes to my mind about the 3.6 V6 in the ATS is "weak". The next word that comes to mind is "unrefined". On hard acceleration from a standstill low end torque is seriously lacking. I'd rather have the naturally aspirated I6 in my 330i any day and the N55 absolutely spanks the Caddy's 3.6 V6. Not surprisingly the V6 doesn't come close to the wonderfully linear pull of the I6.

How is it weak? Its pretty much on pair with the N55 when it comes to straight line acceleration. The N55 hardly "spanks" the 3.6.

ATS 3.6
C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 5.4 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 13.3 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 25.0 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.0 sec @ 102 mph
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...ed-test-review

F30 335i
C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 5.3 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 13.0 sec
Street Start, 5–60 mph: 5.9 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.8 sec @ 103 mph
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...an-test-review

Originally Posted by tturedraider

The first word that comes to my mind about the 3.6 V6 in the ATS is "weak". The next word that comes to mind is "unrefined". On hard acceleration from a standstill low end torque is seriously lacking. I'd rather have the naturally aspirated I6 in my 330i any day and the N55 absolutely spanks the Caddy's 3.6 V6. Not surprisingly the V6 doesn't come close to the wonderfully linear pull of the I6.

Do I feel my N52 a little weaker than N20? Maybe, but I like the driving feel of the N/A I6, and it is faster than I really need on public road. It is when I take it to autox it begins to suck.

Do I feel the ATS 3.6 a little weaker than the N55? Yeah a little. But the reality is, unless you take them to the track, they both have way too much power for the street. What they did to the 3.6 is giving it a beautifully aggressive exhaust sound, something the 335i does it only half hearted.

The ATS 2.0T's driving character was a total surprise to me. A engine not only smooth but more eager to rev, nice turbo sound. Again more exciting as you push it hard. The N20 is more contained. Both can use some exhaust tuning BTW.

So far most reviews only tested pre-production ATSs, and for the 2.0T, only the manual tranny.

What maybe a show stopper is all the bugs new ATS drivers have reported.

Originally Posted by Michael Schott

Those magazines and sites were complaining about the 6MT not the AT.

Actually they were complaining about both.