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E39 (1997 - 2003)
The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 12-05-2012, 03:54 PM
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Rather than bending the wiper blade guide tabs, try squeezing the the metal stiffeners in the rubber refill together at the barb. It's possible to squeeze these together enough to slide the stiffener barbs through the guide. For installation, the locator barbs will "self compress" when you slide the refill into position on the blade guides; the slanted portion of the barb will force the compression needed to clear the tabs and locate the refill.

This method also eliminates the chance of introducing a twist into the blade guide tabs as you bend them back. Such a twist can result in the wipers chattering on the glass.
Unfortunately that was not an option. The old inserts did not have any metal, and the end guide was crimped to a smaller width than the other 7 guides. It appears to have been the only way to lock the rubber-only type inserts in place. Also, without widening the guide, it would have been too narrow to fit the new insert. I did not crimp down the guide (much) when installing the new inserts. They had the locking metal tabs, so I tried my best to make it uniform with the other 7. A small amount of crimping was necessary.
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Old 12-05-2012, 05:49 PM
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Even after all this, I learned something new today, if it's true.

Q: Is the driver side wiper refill 'really' thicker than that of the passenger side rubber?

Note: The screenshot below is from mileoneparts (440, 441):

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Hmmm, the replacement inserts I get at the dealer are the same width.
Unless something changed after the 1999 model year...the e39's 2 front wiper blades are the SAME size. If you have an e39 Touring...the rear wiper blade is a different size.

It's the e38 7 series that has different sized refills for the front windshield. But if one is really unsure...the little fingers that the blade runs through can be measured (especially if you have a micrometer) to verify that each side is the same width.

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Q: Is the driver side wiper refill 'really' thicker than that of the passenger side rubber?
+1, as far as I can tell, they are identical thickness but the driver blade is a bit longer. When my driver blade shows the first sign of streakiness, I move the blade over to the passenger side arm and cut the excess rubber off. I then put a fresh new blade onto the driver's side. The fit into the wiper arm seems the same to me.
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They are the same width on my 2001 530i.

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...When my driver blade shows the first sign of streakiness, I move the blade over to the passenger side arm and cut the excess rubber off. I then put a fresh new blade onto the driver's side. The fit into the wiper arm seems the same to me.
That sounds like a good idea - think I'll try it.
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This E46 thread has some information which may or may not be correct on part numbers:
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BMW NA HAS JUST DISCONTINUED WIPER INSERTS FOR THE E46, PART NUMBER
61 61 0 154 440

I highly suggest getting them now because you will end up replacing both blades which will be about $85 retail, insteado of inserts which cost about less than 10 bucks to replace each time.

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Refering to Qsilver7's post #127 above this means the E39 T rear wiper refill is affected.
E39 front wiper refill is part # ...441 and will presumably continue to be available.
Have I got that right?
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i got my E39 blades at the local o'reilleys for $29 each, sold individually. Plenty in-stock. They are almost like regular wipers, only the metal frame is "thinner" where they mount to the wiper arm. This difference is why the blades are hard to find and the prices are double what they really should be.

Auto-Zone by my house did not have blades in stock for E39. They told me $55 a pair, special order.

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Refering to Qsilver7's post #127 above this means the E39 T rear wiper refill is affected.
E39 front wiper refill is part # ...441 and will presumably continue to be available.
Have I got that right?
I was just at the dealer today and was told this affects 61-61-0-154-441 as well. I forgot to ask if it is discontinued and replaced by another part number. I must have been in shock after being told the new ones were going to be $80-90! As I needed 2 and they had only 4 left, I took all of them for $33.28 (tax incl.).


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What model is the part number 61.61.0.154.440 supposed to fit?

When I search realoem for my 2001 530i, I get part 61618217711 for the replacement rubber.
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What model is the part number 61.61.0.154.440 supposed to fit?

When I search realoem for my 2001 530i, I get part 61618217711 for the replacement rubber.
You can see the part nbr breakdown in my receipt in post #127 above. The "440" ending Nbr is for the TAILGATE wiper for the e39.

The "440" & "441" part Nbrs are not listed on realoem.com...they were nbrs used by the BMW dealerships and sold under the "value-line" nomenclature for a lot less money per refill.
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Y...The "440" & "441" part Nbrs are not listed on realoem.com...they were nbrs used by the BMW dealerships and sold under the "value-line" nomenclature for a lot less money per refill.
Oh, the value-line. I guess that's what I've been buying.

If those become unavailable, I'll look for another option. The 61618217711 are listed at $15.60 each on realoem.
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I'm confused. Would someone summarize for the peanut gallery what is currently available and what isn't?

Here's what I 'think' my E39 needs:
E39 OEM (711): 61618217711 $23.56/pair (SJ BMW dealer), rubber wiper refill (precut to length)
Value Line (441): 61610154441 thicker (5.35 mm) $16.00/pair (SJ BMW dealer, rubber refill + metal guide (cut to length)

When I called Eeuroparts.com at 800-467-9769, I spoke with Dean (customerservice at eeuroparts.com), who says they can only get what BMW sells them:
- 61610154440 still available from BMW, $3.00, rubber refill + metal guide (4.45 mm wide)
- 61610154441 discontinued from BMW, $x.xx, rubber refill + metal guide (5.35 mm wide)
- 61618217711 still available from BMW, $15.98, rubber refill but no metal guide? (5.35 mm wide?)

In addition, Dean said BMW discontinued the passenger side wiper blade itself (the metal part) as BMW now only sells the pair of wiper blades (driver & passenger side).
- 61619070579 Pair of Bosch wiper blades, which includes the metal frame + rubber inserts + the two steel guides (everything but the wiper arm): $36.28 set
Note: A wiper "blade" is everything but the arm itself, whereas an "insert" is the rubber and (usually) the two metal guide strips.
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What's available for now in most BMW markets are the regular refill part nbrs that you find listed on sites like realoem.com (BMW part nbr 61618217711).

I spoke with my local BMW parts counter guy today...was going to buy a spare set for the e38 & e53t...and they only had the "440" value-line refills left. The "440" is used only on one side on the e38 & e53 so I was out-of-luck. Again, he did have some of the regular refills left. He also mentioned that the value line refills for the newer models was also being discontinued...and that they are also stuck with a bunch of refills that only fit one side of those models, too.

He also was perplexed as to why BMW is making this decision...if the decision to end the value line was due to the low price...he didn't think that offering an $80 wiper blade instead was going to sell...so they won't be making money raising the price that high either.

Looks like the aftermarket wiper blade brands are going to get an increase in sales in the coming months/years.
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Just went through buying the wiper refills experience this Saturday. One dealer I called said it is no longer available part. The second dealer I called said they had it in stock for $3.30 each. Drove down to that dealer parts counter and asked for 61-61-0-154-441. Parts guy keyed in the number and told me this is a part for warranty repair, I assumed he meant cars that get the wipers change out under maintenance plan. He then looked up the regular part number, which was like $17.xx something a piece. He asked me where I got the first part number and I told him a friend that used to work at dealer give me the first number. He said he doesn't think he should sell me the 61-61-0-154-441 part because it is for internal use only. I told him I already drove down there because that was what I was quoted. He relented and let me buy four for $14.xx. I was happy because it would have cost me $74.xx (w/tax) had I gone with the regular refills. Well, it may be the last time I can get the refills this cheap.
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Just went through buying the wiper refills experience this Saturday. One dealer I called said it is no longer available part. The second dealer I called said they had it in stock for $3.30 each. Drove down to that dealer parts counter and asked for 61-61-0-154-441. Parts guy keyed in the number and told me this is a part for warranty repair, I assumed he meant cars that get the wipers change out under maintenance plan. He then looked up the regular part number, which was like $17.xx something a piece. He asked me where I got the first part number and I told him a friend that used to work at dealer give me the first number. He said he doesn't think he should sell me the 61-61-0-154-441 part because it is for internal use only. I told him I already drove down there because that was what I was quoted. He relented and let me buy four for $14.xx. I was happy because it would have cost me $74.xx (w/tax) had I gone with the regular refills. Well, it may be the last time I can get the refills this cheap.
Might as well get them shipped from other dealers.. Dang.
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Dunno if it's true, but last week I had a conversation with William (williamT at 3wheelsautoparts dot com, 408-385-6620) who gave me one interpretation of the logic of BMW discontinuing the 441 (61610154441) value-line wiper blade inserts.

He said these wiper inserts, which needed to be sized by the mechanic, were actually for use internally to service wiper blades in the dealership.

Since the vehicles that they fit are mostly no longer serviced at the dealership, they discontinued the wiper blades.

Interestingly, he said the 440 value-line part (61610154440) was still available, which, if used on the newer bimmers, would fit that hypothesis.
Of course, the much more expensive 711 parts are still available (61618217711).

In addition, he said BMW no longer sells a single wiper blade for my E39 - you have to purchase both as a set.
He sells the Bosch replacement, which, he said, might not use the same refill as the OBM BMW blade:
- 61619070579 pair Bosch wiper blade metal frame + rubber on arm: $36.28 set (note that these have permanent inserts!)

EDIT:
Given we can still easily buy the 440 value-line part (61610154440) for $3.00 each, it behooves us to figure out whether they'll fit the front wipers (being about 1 mm thinner in width than OEM).
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Given we can still easily buy the 440 value-line part (61610154440) for $3.00 each, it behooves us to figure out whether they'll fit the front wipers (being about 1 mm thinner in width than OEM).
That's an interesting point Bluebee...since the "440" value-line refill is slightly thinner than the "441" refill...one might be able to "squeeze" the "fingers" on the e39's wiper blade with a pair of pliers to secure the refill to the blade and prevent it from slipping out as it swipes across the windshield.

But that would probably only intrigue those that are the most frugal among or those of us that have a streak of "MacGyver instinct" coursing through our veins.
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That's an interesting point Bluebee...since the "440" value-line refill is slightly thinner than the "441" refill...one might be able to "squeeze" the "fingers" on the e39's wiper blade with a pair of pliers to secure the refill to the blade and prevent it from slipping out as it swipes across the windshield.

But that would probably only intrigue those that are the most frugal among or those of us that have a streak of "MacGyver instinct" coursing through our veins.
Going to my dealer tomorrow to buy all their 441 stock. Since I still have the touring, I'll get a few of the 440 as well.

As for the MacGyver 101 class, that will have to wait till it's a little warmer in the "Test Lab". No heat in my garage..........
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Dunno if it's true, but last week I had a conversation with William (williamT at 3wheelsautoparts dot com, 408-385-6620) who gave me one interpretation of the logic of BMW discontinuing the 441 (61610154441) value-line wiper blade inserts.

He said these wiper inserts, which needed to be sized by the mechanic, were actually for use internally to service wiper blades in the dealership.

Since the vehicles that they fit are mostly no longer serviced at the dealership, they discontinued the wiper blades.

Interestingly, he said the 440 value-line part (61610154440) was still available, which, if used on the newer bimmers, would fit that hypothesis.
Of course, the much more expensive 711 parts are still available (61618217711).

In addition, he said BMW no longer sells a single wiper blade for my E39 - you have to purchase both as a set.
He sells the Bosch replacement, which, he said, might not use the same refill as the OBM BMW blade:
- 61619070579 pair Bosch wiper blade metal frame + rubber on arm: $36.28 set (note that these have permanent inserts!)

EDIT:
Given we can still easily buy the 440 value-line part (61610154440) for $3.00 each, it behooves us to figure out whether they'll fit the front wipers (being about 1 mm thinner in width than OEM).

I stopped at BMW Cleveland yesterday. They also were perplexed why BMW would discontinue -440 (used by E46 customers) and -441 (used by E39 customers).

I bought all of the -441's they had (8). With respect to the -440 (rear blade for E39 tourings), they were out of -440. They said the "official" replacement part for -440 is 61-61-7-010-247. That blade is just the rubber element without the metal inserts. This shows up on realOEM as a part for the E46.

I will have to give William T a call about the -440's, since I can not source them locally form the Cleveland dealers.
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Just an update: My o-ring kit arrived today, along with a few sets of the 441 (61610154441) wiper blades and oil change extras like filters and bolts and washers.

I should know more when I put the new wiper inserts in...
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FYI, i got this replacement inserts from Pelican Parts for my '03 E39 530i and it fits perfectly:

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Went to advance auto parts and got the double set of Anco break-to-fit refills for $6.99. A bit of a pain to slide in to the old arms but work great so far - they wipe the rain and gunk without streaking. I think they were both 26". I used some soap and water to lube the refill while sliding in, I didn't want to use oil based lube for fear of degrading the rubber or getting it on the actual wiper surface. I only resized one refill blade (metal has tabs) and cut the rubber with scissors. No idea how long they last but I have tried the expensive blades and would rather buy new blades every year than pay $50 for a set of wipers that last 2 years. I plan to spray paint the blades if the get too bad and continue with refills

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My windshield wiper blade (left in photo) was fraying, so I just put the new 441 wiper blade inserts on my bimmer.


The key 'procedure' you must know is to slide the LOCK button to the unlock position, so that the wiper arm just gracefully falls into your hand.
Note: I wouldn't even think of replacing the inserts with the wiper blade still on the vehicle.


Once the wiper arm is in your hands, the only required tool is a pair of needle-nose pliers to squeeze the lock tabs on both sides so that you can slip the barbed end off the wiper arm:


When inserting the replacement inserts, try to keep the three pieces together with the plastic clips that came with the insert.


If the three pieces get away from you, as they did me, remember that the barbs must face inward.

Note also the dimorphic tips; however, I can't imagine any functional differences.


When you slide the inserts back onto the wiper arm, check every grip to ensure it is holding BOTH the rubber and the metal strips:


You'll need to break a few inches off the inserts for the passenger side, so it's a good idea to MARK the metal guide strips so that you don't break them off to the wrong size.


Notice the yellow warning to cut the rubber about 5mm longer than the metal inserts:


It's not hard to START with the metal guide rails 2.5 mm from each end:

But, after you've threaded it, they may (i.e., almost certainly will) slip and slide so you'll have to re-check and re-adjust the metal to be 2.5mm from the end AFTER you've threaded the insert onto the wiper arm!

If you forget this RE-adjustment step, this is what could result:

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