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Old 12-26-2012, 04:23 PM
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If they "throw in" just a little more power then value seen in the 335 will diminish ...

So if the 328 had the rating of 270-275hp, how would that look next to the 300hp 335?
Sorry for the misunderstanding here. I meant if they threw in a little more power in the 335. I think we and most people are on the same page here. There needs to be a slightly bigger REAL (as opposed to just rating) power difference.
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Old 12-26-2012, 04:26 PM
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Sorry for the misunderstanding here. I meant if they threw in a little more power in the 335. I think we and most people are on the same page here. There needs to be a slightly bigger REAL (as opposed to just rating) power difference.
Agreed. 328 at 280hp and 335 at 340hp. Deal.
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Old 12-26-2012, 05:42 PM
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If they "throw in" just a little more power then value seen in the 335 will diminish.

Fact is, the ATS 2.0 rated at 272hp seems to slot well enough below the 321hp 3.6.

Insideline dyno'd BOTH the ATS and 328 2.0's and found the N20 made the same if not 1-2hp more.

So if the 328 had the rating of 270-275hp, how would that look next to the 300hp 335?

Ironically, in all the tests the N20 seems to clearly edge out the ATS 2.0 in performance(aside from steering feel), yet the 3.6 ATS seems to consistently edge out the 335.

That's interesting, about the 3.6 ATS and the 335i. Do you have any tests or videos to share? I'm genuinely interested. Truth is however, I would never buy a Cadillac. Even if it edged out the 335i by a lot. I'm pretty partial to BMWs.


Also, would you agree that the same people that under rate the 328i would also under rate the 335i? I'm almost certain the n55 335i is good for more than 300/300. (although, who needs more than that!)


The N20 is impressive on paper/dyno/numbers ... No doubt. I just prefer the inline 6, it's sound, it's effortlessness, it's endless torque and the fact that I know I'm driving the best, most powerful 3 series my money can buy.


The N20, impressive as it is, really works for its money, and sounds like it too.
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Old 12-26-2012, 05:44 PM
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Agreed. 328 at 280hp and 335 at 340hp. Deal.

That would be sweet. I'm hoping for that to be the re-mapped n55 in the 440i. Until then, tune baby, TUNE!


Anyone have numbers on the tuned n55? What's the power like on that?
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Old 12-26-2012, 06:01 PM
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That's interesting, about the 3.6 ATS and the 335i. Do you have any tests or videos to share? I'm genuinely interested. Truth is however, I would never buy a Cadillac. Even if it edged out the 335i by a lot. I'm pretty partial to BMWs.


Also, would you agree that the same people that under rate the 328i would also under rate the 335i? I'm almost certain the n55 335i is good for more than 300/300. (although, who needs more than that!)


The N20 is impressive on paper/dyno/numbers ... No doubt. I just prefer the inline 6, it's sound, it's effortlessness, it's endless torque and the fact that I know I'm driving the best, most powerful 3 series my money can buy.


The N20, impressive as it is, really works for its money, and sounds like it too.
The N54 was quite underrated, it would often put down 285+whp. The N55 has proven to make less power than the N54. It does not mean the N55 is not underrated, it just means not as much as the H54 and N55 are.

I do not have the time to pull all the links on ATS vs 3 series tests previously posted. You can google it or go to the magazine sites, they are all fairly recent. You can also do a search on this forum since every ATS vs F30 test seems to be posted on here lol.
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Old 12-28-2012, 11:02 PM
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That's interesting, about the 3.6 ATS and the 335i. Do you have any tests or videos to share? I'm genuinely interested. Truth is however, I would never buy a Cadillac. Even if it edged out the 335i by a lot. I'm pretty partial to BMWs.


Also, would you agree that the same people that under rate the 328i would also under rate the 335i? I'm almost certain the n55 335i is good for more than 300/300. (although, who needs more than that!)


The N20 is impressive on paper/dyno/numbers ... No doubt. I just prefer the inline 6, it's sound, it's effortlessness, it's endless torque and the fact that I know I'm driving the best, most powerful 3 series my money can buy.


The N20, impressive as it is, really works for its money, and sounds like it too.
I do not have the numbers for 335.

But the N55 in my 535i was dyno at 326hp/333lb torque stock. (Same engine as 335)

So yes, the N55 is just as underrated as the N20.
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Old 12-29-2012, 06:50 AM
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I do not have the numbers for 335.

But the N55 in my 535i was dyno at 326hp/333lb torque stock. (Same engine as 335)

So yes, the N55 is just as underrated as the N20.
No. Your dyno numbers were not to the wheels.
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Old 12-29-2012, 11:19 PM
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No. Your dyno numbers were not to the wheels.
Of course not.

It's after drivetrain lost calculated into it.

It shows that BMW underrate their engine.

Because the F10 535i(and many other BMWs) dyno nearly at the advertised Horsepower. Which almost never happened in this industry.
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Old 12-30-2012, 04:58 AM
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No. Your dyno numbers were not to the wheels.

Of course not. That would be one hell of a ride though!


328i 265 hp / 280 lb-ft (240 hp / 257 lb-ft at the wheels)
335i 326 hp / 333 lb-ft (274 hp / 280 lb-ft at the wheels)


That is BIG. Enough to punch you back into your seat and make you giggle like a 5 year old!
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I am planning get a 3er.

There is a fully loaded MSport 328i that I can get right now for the same price I can order a barebone MSport 335i that I will have to wait for months to arrive.
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Of course not.

It's after drivetrain lost calculated into it.

It shows that BMW underrate their engine.

Because the F10 535i(and many other BMWs) dyno nearly at the advertised Horsepower. Which almost never happened in this industry.
It was your wording.

When you say you dyno'd, you would typically state what you made on the dyno. Converting back to crank numbers throws people off.
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Of course not. That would be one hell of a ride though!


328i 265 hp / 280 lb-ft (240 hp / 257 lb-ft at the wheels)
335i 326 hp / 333 lb-ft (274 hp / 280 lb-ft at the wheels)


That is BIG. Enough to punch you back into your seat and make you giggle like a 5 year old!
Yeah those are the Exact Numbers. Shows how much BMW underrate their engine.

For comparison:
BMW
328i advertised 240hp/200lb-ft Tested 265 hp / 280 lb-ft (240 hp / 257 lb-ft at the wheels)
335i/535i advertised 300hp/300lb-ft Tested 326 hp / 333 lb-ft (274 hp / 280 lb-ft at the wheels)

Ford
Mustang V6 advertised 305hp/280lb-ft Tested 282 hp / 274 lb-ft (240 hp / 233 lb-ft at the wheels)

Chevrolet
Camaro V6 advertised 300hp/273lb-ft Tested 289 hp / 258 lb-ft (246 hp / 220 lb-ft at the wheels)

Infiniti/Nissan
G37/370Z advertised 330hp/270lb-ft Tested 337 hp / 277 lb-ft (287 hp / 236 lb-ft at the wheels)

Hyundai
Genesis Coupe 2.0 advertised 274hp/275lb-ft Tested 267 hp / 267 lb-ft (227 hp / 227 lb-ft at the wheels)
Genesis Coupe 3.8 advertised 348hp/295lb-ft Tested 317 hp / 277 lb-ft (270 hp / 236 lb-ft at the wheels)
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Yeah those are the Exact Numbers. Shows how much BMW underrate their engine.

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328i advertised 240hp/200lb-ft Tested 265 hp / 280 lb-ft (240 hp / 257 lb-ft at the wheels)
335i/535i advertised 300hp/300lb-ft Tested 326 hp / 333 lb-ft (274 hp / 280 lb-ft at the wheels)
328i = 240 HP at wheels
335i = 274 HP at wheels

That is 14% more HP for the I6 over the I4. However, the I4 (N20) is 150 lbs lighter which is the equivalent of 10 HP or 0.1 seconds in the 0-60 time (if my physics is correct), so that maybe the actual feeling is only about 10% greater HP. That is what I think everyone is saying, that the difference between the 328i and the 335i is not as much as it was on the E90. So again, it is the weight!
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You guys would be surprised at what a base 328i can do at the track. I dont know that a base comp car could perform like that. C250 ATS2.x is250 - i wonder how those base models would do. With a base model i still get a great engine braking and balance. Im pretty sure others would get a lot more out of it than myself as well. So far I have been able to keep up with plenty of guys with "more" car than i do.

its the driver that makes the enthusiast in us - not the car so enough of this 335 for enthusiast bs. Lol. Hell there are those with e46 323i that i cant keep up with!
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Maybe your f30 feels softer and more comfortable like that because it's a Luxury line? Dynamic Handling?
I'm siding (cautiously) with BJ here. You might have jumped the gun by ordering F30 N55 sight unseen.

I drove F30 and it can KEEP UP with E90 no problem. That is a lot different than "it BLOWS IT AWAY" statement.

Seeing that you came from 2 E21s and 1 E46, you should have test driven E82. Now, E82 DOES blow away my E92 out of the park. Completely. Totally. No contest. If you liked BMW for what it was during the 80's and 90's (OK, and early 00's) ... F30 is hardly for you regardless of the engine they put in it. It is softer, more user friendly and it will make a killing in sales worldwide. I needn't stress that huge success in sales means only one thing - it is mediocre, because majority, by definition, is mediocre. You need to look at minority to find excellence. By definition. And that is the reason BJ is almost 100% correct.

I would wait to see how the new 2 series is sorted out and then make a decision. Just my 2 cents and worth exactly as much.

Absolutely no intention to offend anybody who enjoys their F30. Seriously. I'm strong believer in choices and having F30 on the market is a great thing to have.
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Ummm ... No. but very conveniently put.


BMW enthusiasts have expectations, and BMW has a legacy to live up to. The 328i is a great car, no doubt, but will truly satisfy only those willing to compromise on BMW's 3 series core essence (inline-6 power, delivery and acoustics). Don't forget, BMW also needs to satisfy the rental car, euro taxis, corporate fleet cars and the older driver "Now that I've made it, lemme go out and buy me a BMW" demograph. The 328i 4 cylinder is a great way to capture that market segment, which will most likely never pop the cars hood or even care to buy as little as a sport package on their BMW. The less expensive and less performance oriented 3 series models (328i for the USA) dovetails nicely with that crowd.


I'd wager that in the USA, BMW will sell more F30 Sport/M-Sport packages on their 335i engine than the 328i engine, as a percentage of total sales of each model respectively. Just my guess.


Having said that, I had the F30 328i sport line (Melbourne Red on Black) for a few days for an extended test drive, and I loved it. However, I realized right away that it was down on power (although an improvement on the E90 328i). It's an impressive little engine, and a great feat of engineering to squeeze all that power out of that tiny little thing, but boy does it sound like it. It breaks in a sweat and screams out in anguish with every kickdown. Not nearly as effortless, smooth and gracious as an inline-6. Anyway, long story short, I ordered a 335i without even test driving it. I won't lie, I thought about saving some money and ordering a 328i. It didn't take that much thought, and the decision to order the 335i was a much easier one in my case.
I just can't get myself to like a 4 cylinder engine in any BMW model. BMW has share holders and they want BMW to be the number one luxury car brand. This is why their marketing department, economist and engineers determine/developed the N20. For sales, market growth and profit. I get it. BMW is in business to make money. Juxtapose to Apple and you will observed the same thing. A leveraging of an enthuse base to grow market share. Thus they developed the iPad. A lessor quality product that accomplishes the essentially same thing most people use computers for and offers a experience with the brand for a smaller premium. And they made billions. By the way I absolutely hate the iPad! But Apple developed it for profit and market growth and lead people to believe that computers are no longer relevant.

BMW has leverage our enthusiastic purist passion. Therefore in order to stay pure we have to pony up for the engines we love. For me it's not about power or the tech. It's about driving feel and I love my E90 I6 NA. And my E90 is low tech. I buy BMWs to driver and not for any other reason. I could care less about technical numbers, Dino testing, tracking a car, Motor Trend, iPhone integration, Nav, etc.

Yes could I by all the bleeping options in a BMW! Absolutely. But do I. No! Do I care how my BMW(s) stack up with others No! It's a shame how others here on Bimmerfest are calling out people for going cheap.

OP it's a lot of pretenders on this site, so please keep that in mind. And buy what you want without regard to what others think.
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